I am sick and tired of the Bridgestones RE92's on my integra, they are just so damn crappy

I'm looking at replacing them with either Yokohama AVS ES100's or Falken Ziex ZE-512's, size P195/60R14. Falken's win hands down for price (30% cheaper!!)

I'm driving a 3rd gen integra, bone stock, and i dont want to mod anything because this car is a daily driver and besides i'd rather invest in something else for pure fun.

The only racing i do with this car is auto-x, which tires would you recommend, these have to be good in the rain because they are staying on all summer.

 

Neither, get the Kumho Ecsta MX.

 

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argh...people keep telling me to get khumos...

the problem is they don't have any for 14" rims with a 60 profile. i'd consider buying a set of 15" rims, but by the time i do that and get wheel covers + more expensive tires it's getting too expensive.

the car has the slim 5-spoke alloys, which are really light and their size scares away thieves - so i dont really want to change them

 

I have the Yokos, and I have to say they're probalby the best road tire I've had to date. I've tracked them a few times (1st event was before I had gotten my Azenis out of storage, second time I was late arriving so I did 1/2 day on them before changing tires on break) and they performed much better than I thought they would.

My friend, who isn't a serious autocrosser, but comes to some events, runs them on his Audi so he doesn't need a second set of tires, and he can give some of the more experienced guys a run for their money with them.

I wish I could give some insight to the Falkens, but the design looks pretty similar, so it might be worth the money savings to go with them for a stock car. I love my zeneis, but I don't have any experience at all with their road tires.

 

the es 100's really don't belong on an auto-x course. timeracer has a very strong opinion about them, basically saying that they're mashed potatoes.

for a daily driver it should be fine though. they're mediocre in auto-x use. decent at the StRIp, though.

 

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I never intended on using them for that, I only did it out of necessity. As a track tire, they are pretty poor, but they did much better than any other road tire that I've used on a course, so I was supprised. I wans't expecting much at all from them. My friend just doesn't want to buy an extra set of tires, since he doesn't run all that often; and they've done fairly well for him.

Yes, the sidewalls are pretty flimsy and the ultimate grip isn't as high as a set of Azenis, but they were far from horrible. For my daily driving and minor twisties duty, they're more than adequate.

 

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I never intended on using them for that, I only did it out of necessity. As a track tire, they are pretty poor, but they did much better than any other road tire that I've used on a course, so I was supprised. I wans't expecting much at all from them. My friend just doesn't want to buy an extra set of tires, since he doesn't run all that often; and they've done fairly well for him.

Yes, the sidewalls are pretty flimsy and the ultimate grip isn't as high as a set of Azenis, but they were far from horrible. For my daily driving and minor twisties duty, they're more than adequate.

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i think they're serviceable in a pinch, more so than RE92's. Perhaps it was too strong a statement to say that they don't belong on an A/X course, what i meant to say is that A/X isn't their strong suit.

 

I don't have experience with the Falken Ziex's, but I'm running a set of the ES100s on my car now, 195/60R14, daily driving only. I've autoxed on them a few times, and while they do grip better than an everyday street tire, they're still lacking that magic 'bite'.

 

we're comparing two totally different tires here. The ES 100's are high performance summer tires that are grippy and nice for use on the street. They also have a good reputation for use in the rain. The Ziex are high performance all season tires. Consumer Reports rated the 512's as their top rated all around tire. They are great for general use in the rain and somewhat in the snow. Thats the main reason why I bought them, but I would never try to autox or drive hard on them because its just frustrating, maybe its because I'm spoiled cause I run Azenis' on the weekends. If you want a performance tire that you can throw your car around a little bit on the street and occassionally autox then get the Yoko's. If you want something that is going to last you two years and be reliable in inclement weather then get the Falkens

 

Yeah, as far as inclement weather goes... You may as well be driving on a sheet of glass sprayed down with PAM cooking spray, that's about how the ES100s are in the snow. Traction is non-existent.

 

I think the Azenis work great in the rain until about 3-4mm of tread. Coming home today I was going at a nice clip (80mph) and it was coming down in buckets. I wouldn't have tried that on my older sets of Azenis (1-2mm of tread).

 

i'd have winter tires for snow though.

basically i want decent street tires that are safe (ie not at all dangerous) in the rain.
i also want them to be decent on the autox, at least better than the RE92's.

and i'm not getting azenis'! they suck in the rain! it'd be the viex for falkens for sure.

thing is, (CDN$), yoko's are 113$/ea, falkens are 70$/ea

big difference.

 

Get the 185 Azenis. Their contact patch is probably just as wide, if not wider then the two tires at hand.

 

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Really? Funny how a summer only tire doesn't work in the snow

Since you're going to have seperate winter tires, go with the Yokos. Good tire. I used my ES100s (daily tires) at an Evolution school since I didn't feel like hauling my Falkens (autocross/track tires) up to MN and changing tires in the rain. I beat most of the other guys running on Falkens, and the track was dry for the school. This was raw time, but still felt pretty good.

After the event, I drove home at 85 mph where it down poured the entire 4.5 hour trip. Not once did I hydroplane. I'd say it's better than the AVS Intermediate that it replaced, and will be fine on the track as well. It's still not the fastest tire, but will do well for what your needs seem to be.

 

The Ziex 512s are not really a performance tire. I have them on my MR2 (14", 60 series) and I've never bothered to push it with them on because I'm sure they don't have much traction. I still like them though, especially for the price.

The ES 100s will be better, but they wont grip as well as Azenis or any R-comp tire.

I say buy the Azenis, they aren't really that bad in the rain, just avoid standing water.

 

So how would the Ziex compare to Potenzas RE92? that's what i have right now and well they are pretty much garbage for traction, the sidewall is just too soft.

 

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After the event, I drove home at 85 mph where it down poured the entire 4.5 hour trip. Not once did I hydroplane. I'd say it's better than the AVS Intermediate that it replaced, and will be fine on the track as well.
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Absolutely, I feel the same. As a poor college student, I ran the AVS I's as my dual street / track tire. The grip was as good or better than the ES 100s (from what I can remember) but they had the same downsides as a street tire as the Azenis: noise, hydroplaning, fast wear.

I can't say enough about the 100's, and would definitely buy another set without question. They're quiet, have no problem in standing water at speed, and after 15K, have almost no signs of wear. The fact that they held up at an autocross was just icing on the cake for me.

 

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This is an excellent summary. Only thing I would change is, it implies that the Falkens will last longer than the ES100. I don't think that is true at all; the ES100 lasts a long, long time.

Since you're using winter tires in the winter, I would definitely get the ES100. No doubt about it.

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So why do you have a GS-R instead of an LS? You spent a little more to get better performance, right? Well, the same thing is true with tires. The few dollars you spend on better tires will make a big difference to your performance.

Now, can someone tell me why a discussion about street tires is in the Road Racing forum?

 

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?

 

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Not everyone's allowed R's.

 

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So why do you have a GS-R instead of an LS? You spent a little more to get better performance, right? Well, the same thing is true with tires. The few dollars you spend on better tires will make a big difference to your performance.

Now, can someone tell me why a discussion about street tires is in the Road Racing forum?
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Good questions

I put it in the racing forum because i want street tires that can take and perform decent in an autox - posting questions in another forum i'd get very little input from people who have done legal racing with the tires.

as for the few extra dollars, i'm trying to save up money for a Prelude (which will have Azenis' ). I am not bothering to do anything with my integra in the meanwhile, but since my current tires are wearing out, i figure i may as well get something reasonably fun if possible, hence why cost/performance is important to me.

 

Why not get some azenis in 14's for 5 dollars more than the ziex?

Here's a link the ziex are 37 and the azenis are 42 dollars. I'm definitely getting a set for my steelies for autocrossing (whenever I begin to).

http://www.edgeracing.com/tires/1956014/

 

Another fan of the AVS 100 here.
I run them on the street and am very happy with them. I've also autoxed with them twice, once when I was too lazy to change to R-compunds (non-points event) and recently I switched to them when it was raining buckets. Not a competitive autox tire in the dry, but servicable.

 

plz don't run falken ziex.... avs are worth the money... i have 4k on my ziex and their almost bald from the track

 

I have ran both the yoks and the ziex's. The yoks are nice and handle autocross events well. The plus side is the very stiff sidewall with rimguard. They do well in standing water up to a certain speed(&gt;80 mph in standing water is a recipe for death with any tire). They lasted about 30k and was well worth the money for the feel on the street.
On the other hand the ziex's blow. there like driving on freaking balloons. No sidewall and the turnin is comparable to lagtime. BUT they last forever and are not high performance tires. Good luck!