I have a civic si Hatch90 model with the engine D16A6. I have been reading on some site that the white mark on the crank is the one that has to line up with the point on the timing belt cover.

The problem I am having is the colors on the crank have wore off and there is no visible color.

There is a series of 3 marks on the crank and about an inch away is a single crank mark. Does anybody know exactly which mark it is that I have to line up so I can get this thing back on the road.

The cam gear is set correctly as I type.lol

Any info will be greatly appriciated.

 

there should be 4 marks if im not mistaken l l l _____ l
the first is to advance the crank, second is piston 1 TDC, 3rd is retard and i dont know what the farthest one is for... i'll check my helms and chiltons tonight in case im giving wrong info.....


Modified by paybac4223 at 4:02 PM 6/29/2004


Modified by paybac4223 at 4:04 PM 6/29/2004

 

The 1 mark that is by itself is the one you use to set the cam gear. The 3 marks that are close together are the timing mrks you use to set your timing with a timing light. You will move the dizzy to get these to line up.

 

Thank you very much.

Would this also be a reason 2 throw enigne code 4 crank angle sensor.

 

Would this be the distributor going bad because of the code 4 it is throwing. I think the crank angle sensor is in the distributor.

 

Very likely. It's a part you can't order and even if you could order it, it would take some special tools to replace it.

 

Crank timing is on the money do not have a timing light to check ignition timing. I also have no check engine lights. The car no barely idles and then dies. Any other ideas on what it could be.

 

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But you just said...

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So do you or don't you have a code 4?

 

It would drive fine for about a block then the light would come on and it would just start back fireing and not accelerating. Now it is barley idleing and dies with no engine code throwing at all. It might not be ideling long enough to throw a code but I am not sure.

 

I am working on it as we type and post reply's.

 

bump cause I have still not got it running right yet?

 

Crank angle sensor controls advance/retard timing, and tells your ECU what RPM your at. So you will be stuck in limp mode and your car will run/idle like ****

Check all your engine plugs for a loose connection first. I'm almost going to gurantee you have a loose wire some place.

If everything checks out and your still throwing the code then you will have to replace your dizzy

 

Check out http://www.crxsi.com and it shows all the pics.

 

When you say Crank pulley is this behind the lower timing cover?cause i replaced the head and need to line everything up? i couldnt feel or see any marks on the pulley

 

this should help a lot as far as timing, remember that your Base timing is 16 BTDC

 

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Honda's dont' have anything called a crank angle sensor, please use proper terminology so that we can all be on the same page.

CKP == Crank Position
CYP == Cylinder Position
CKF == Crank Fluctuation (this is the one on oil pump)
TDC == Top Dead Center

-PHiZ

P.s. Also, on my D16Z6, I have 2 marks for 0BTC. Has anyone seen that? I suppose I put the timing belt cover mark in the middle?

 

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Honda's dont' have anything called a crank angle sensor, please use proper terminology so that we can all be on the same page.

CKP == Crank Position
CYP == Cylinder Position
CKF == Crank Fluctuation (this is the one on oil pump)
TDC == Top Dead Center

-PHiZ

P.s. Also, on my D16Z6, I have 2 marks for 0BTC. Has anyone seen that? I suppose I put the timing belt cover mark in the middle?
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Honda's dont' have anything called a crank angle sensor, please use proper terminology so that we can all be on the same page.

CKP == Crank Position
CYP == Cylinder Position
CKF == Crank Fluctuation (this is the one on oil pump)
TDC == Top Dead Center

-PHiZ

P.s. Also, on my D16Z6, I have 2 marks for 0BTC. Has anyone seen that? I suppose I put the timing belt cover mark in the middle?
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thanx for the correction I was thinking DSM's there for a min, LOL

I was talking about the CFK though, thanx again

 

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Honda's dont' have anything called a crank angle sensor, please use proper terminology so that we can all be on the same page.

CKP == Crank Position
CYP == Cylinder Position
CKF == Crank Fluctuation (this is the one on oil pump)
TDC == Top Dead Center

-PHiZ

P.s. Also, on my D16Z6, I have 2 marks for 0BTC. Has anyone seen that? I suppose I put the timing belt cover mark in the middle?
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sorry to bust ur bubble

But Hondas DO HAVE a Crank Angle Sensor

it tells the ecu the RPM of the engine, and is the base for the ignition system
If u havent looked, is the Code 4 on OBDO Diagnostics.
U cant tell me it doesnt exist, because i have had that problem on my car twise, and it was that sensor...

the proper abreviation is CKP
CYL is the Cylinder sensor....

these sensors are inside the distribuitor and are basically magnetic pickups.

if u look on the ecu the crank angle is the B10 and B12 pinouts and C1 C2 on DPFI engines

BTW i also have D16Z6 and the crank pulley only has 4 marks.... I_I_I_______I
the one alone is TDC = top dead center
the other 3 are for timing.. basically the middle one is 16 deg BTDC and the left one 18 deg BTDC and the Right one 14 deg BTDC

if someone wants to call Bullshit on me, once i get home, and get my info , i will post the pertinent proof to support my post

 

it's actually two sensors that serve the pupose of a CAS. the CYL and the TDC sensor. the CYL detects the position of the of the #1 piston and the TDC determines ignition timing. either one of these go out and it throws a CAS code.

 

Every ignition related sensor on a D16A6 is inside the distributor.

If you are throwing ignition related codes, check inside the distributor for a shredded dist. bearing, loose or missing rotor screw, or (unlikely) a loose pickup.

They are pretty fool-proof otherwise.

 

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sorry to bust ur bubble

But Hondas DO HAVE a Crank Angle Sensor

it tells the ecu the RPM of the engine, and is the base for the ignition system
If u havent looked, is the Code 4 on OBDO Diagnostics.
U cant tell me it doesnt exist, because i have had that problem on my car twise, and it was that sensor...

the proper abreviation is CKP
CYL is the Cylinder sensor....

these sensors are inside the distribuitor and are basically magnetic pickups.

if u look on the ecu the crank angle is the B10 and B12 pinouts and C1 C2 on DPFI engines
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I really have no idea what you're talking about at this point, you're all over the place.

CKP is CranKshaft Position.
CYL doesn't exist.

OBD0 code 4 is CKP sensor.

B10, B12 ; C1, C2 are all CKP.

I just want to use the same terminology, so that people are on the same track.

But My timing is still jacked up. I have 2 marks to the RIGHT of the 3 timing marks. And which set of marks is supposed to line up with the timing belt notch? The 3 (14,16,18 BTDC) or the one lonely one (0 BTDC) ??

-PHiZ

 

Here ya go ladies

 

This thread has turned into a joke lol There are 3 sensors. None of them share the same abreviation. TDC/Crank/CYL are the three.

AND OBD0 Civics DO NOT use a crank speed fluctuation sensor. So why bring that up?

 

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true dat tomayto tomahto