i'm trying to see the diffremce between the b18a/b with b16

 

88 SI W/ I/H/E 14.5 @93MPH W/B18A BOTTOM END AND B18B HEAD

 

I saw a crx with b16 and mods get beat by a hatch with a b18a with intake exhaust... oh wait i was the owner.

 

A B16a CRX will hand a B18a/b CRX it's *** @ the track, with similar mods and evenly matched drivers.......

On the street, the B16a will STILL win, but the race will be much closer due to the better torque on the b18 (makes a bigger difference on the street cuz the races are much shorter...)

 

well ive been seeing b18a run the same times as b16 at the track so i thinka b16 is waste of money with teh extra money you could be putting many of bolt ons on there so. my b18 is bunning 14.7

 

Are you kidding me? The B18, yes it HAS MORE TORQUE, but that does NOT make up for the 20hp it falls short of the B16a. LIKE I SAID, same mods, same car, same driver, the B16a WILL beat the B18a/b........ hands down. Waste of $$$ huh? The B18a/b swap costs about as much as a B16 swap, and with the B16 swap you're getting more power. Go figure.........

 

the b16 you get for the money is junk and has shitty auto cams most of the time.save your money and get the b18a/b and buy a turbo or nos and youll be happy

 

ok guys not to make this a flame post but if the b18a/b is so much better with this and that, why don't you ever hear of pro draggers using the engine? and don't tell me it is because they have more money and they can use this engine or that engine. lisa kubo has a b16 ya know and i don't think her car runs to shabby. yes i know we are talking about the average owner but i am jsut saying that i don't hear of people using this b18a/b that much

 

OK, so it has shitty auto cams most of the time? You're even more ignorant than I thought.


And N20 is for pussies who can't drive, in the case of it being on a 14+ second car...

 

i too will agree with the nos thing. that is the ***** way out, if your car can't beat me with just the motor then i have no respsect for you opening the bottle.

 

Aww......... your bottle is empty? Where'd all your power go? hahahaahaa

I HATE that ****....... retards slapping N2O on 15.5 second cars..... wtf!? That's just ******* retarded. 99% of them talk **** when the bottle is full, but notice how much **** they talk when it's empty.....

Now on a 13.99 or better car (cuz 13s is quick as it is) I can see N2O being used..... becuase that 13 second mark makes a big difference IMO

 

hmmm..quite a bit of animosity here...

I'd go for the b18a/b swap..
as far as 1/4 mile times I've seen, b18a/b's seem to be more consistent, the torque makes it much easier to launch thus easier to be consistent.

Otherwise, It comes down to how much of a risk you want to take when buying an engine.
first gen b16's are all jdm or Euro engines, often with debatable mileage and uncertainty about compression etc. If you really know the shop you are buying from and they can give you a TRUE warranty/guarantee go for a b16, they're great engines and the aftermarket is DEEP! problem is first gen b16's are after all at least 10 years old already..

If on the other hand, you are gonna order a b16 from some shop you re not familiar with, or if it's out of town, you're better off getting a usdm b18a/b. You can easier verify the mileage and you can pick them up almost anywhere, not just some speedshops or jdm importers.

I had the choice of b16 and b20...although the b16 would have been a much cheaper swap for me, i decided to go for a B20, it a 1998 engine, low low mileage..from an automatic CRV...this engine can not even be abused due to the auto tranny.

Needless to say..I am very happy. The torque is great, and the car is fun fun fun!!

 

well nobody has b18a/b is becasue everybody is brain washed into thinking b16's are the **** and well there cool but not that cool. you can put a b16 tranny with b18 and woop some **** when i get mine on all show you guys some vides and well se whats up. 14.7 now wait till i get the tranny on......

 

i run 15.1's in my 2550 lb '90 civic si. yes. two thousand five hundred and fifty pounds. my hatch alone (full interior with 2 8-in subs) weighst about 2400 lbs...and then i'm like 150 lbs (yes i know, you CAN do the math)...its alright for a jdm 1st gen b16 powered hatch. i have an aem cold air intake, 5zigen fireball exhaust with 2.25" piping and catco cat, and a clutchmaster stage one clutch. 99 gsr's with stock michelins on them as well. i DID ride in my friend's 89 civic dx with a b18 (150k miles on the usdm motor) and i can feel the torque...but its sad that i have to shift at "only" 6700 rpm. it is a capable car, but i'd rather have my car as go-kinda-fast-but-still-drive-everyday type of car.

 

"well nobody has b18a/b is becasue everybody is brain washed into thinking b16's are the **** and well there cool but not that cool. you can put a b16 tranny with b18 and woop some **** when i get mine on all show you guys some vides and well se whats up. 14.7 now wait till i get the tranny on....."


Damn Man, it's dumbasses like YOU who make me laugh.

Why the **** would you put a B16a tranny onto a daily driven b18a/b? Do you know that it's gonna rev higher than the B18a/b is comfortable with? Congrats on that high revving B18a/b, genius .

Seriously, the B18, while a GREAT engine (I am not doubting that) has nice torque and all, but as someone on another message board (actually 2 people, both have a B18 CRX and a B16 CRX and they BOTH agree the B16a is better..) that the B18, while great off the line for the first few thousand RPM's, is very dissapointing in the top end, leaving you wanting more.

The B16 is just the opposite, it's not very good low end, but nothing beats the top end, besides the B18c5....

The B16 has 20-30 more horsepower. Thats MORE than enough to make up for a 15-20 ft/lb deficiency in torque.

True, the B18a DOES give you that extra .2L of displacement, which is really what gives you the torque... but it will never have the high end of the B16a.

Hands down, the B16a is faster. And if you think I'm wrong, then you're fooling yourself.

Funny how most people that have B18a/b hate on people with a B16a swap. Maybe it's because their "cheaper lower mileage more reliable swap" isnt those things at all.......

 

ok everyone else said wut they have to say so ill say wut i have to say the b18a/b is cheaper and with the same mods it wont win the race this is ture but pair it with a vtec head and then u have more hp than the b16 when i get the lsvtec done in the summer how the stock time slips look and the ls tranny has a longer gear ratio also witch leeds to it being slower

 

Amen to that. I won't argue with either side because I wouldn't mind having either in my civic now. I want the b16 because I am going to probably build a n/a car and the b16 seems like a better choice for an n/a car. If I was going to get a turbo I would go with the b18a hands down.

 

n/a id still go lsvtec or crvtec with a gsr or type r head this would be great lots of touque and high end and phatty u want to go crvtec so dont even try to argue my point

 

Phatwhippin': you're a pretty angry young man aren't ya

In my opinion it's easier to add better top end performance to a b18a/b than to add low end torque to a b16.

well anyways...I like the b16, it is the engine that made honda performance available to the masses.
I wasn't satisfied with getting a 10 year old engine with too many variables, so i decided with a newer local engine. I might be a bit faster or a bit slower than a b16 crx, I frankly don't care....when i'm driving around town my low end torque allows me to shift leisurely and still get forward progress..without any need to dip into my top end powah YO!

 

If I had a reliable source to build me a crvtec or ls/vtec motor then I would do it but I am swapping the motor myself so the b16 was practical for me. JMO
I have seen some very powerful crvtec and ls/vtec motors but I have always had questions about their reliablility. I know they can be reliable but would i be able to find someone "reliable" enough to build one. It is just much more practical for me to swap a b16 into my civic.

 

Angry? Nah

Just sick of seeing this **** all the time. More times than not, it's B18a/b guys talking smack on the B16a. Then you get the cocky ******** with B16as doggin' on the B18a/b. Both ways, it's fucked up....

But my thing with it is this:

The people who say they would rather go B18a/b, all have a B18 already.

The people who have a B16a say to go B16.

Yet I know of 2 people, very respected people on a few other boards who seriously knopw their ****, and they BOTH agree that the B16a is the better choice if you are looking for a B series engine from a performance aspect.

They each have a B18a CRX and B16a CRX, in both cases the B16a is faster...

I just hate when people go "well my B18 CRX beat on a B16a CRX last week bl abla bla"

Big deal, was it a full 1/4 mile? Was it a shitty driver? Do you have more mods?

Stick the same douchebag in the B16a Car, and watch him run a better time, get out, and SWEAR he just had a "bad run" in his B18.......

excuses, excuses... face it, you don't pay a couple hundred more for the B16a for nothing.....

 

Yeah, and CR-VTEC owns me

 

he is correct about the 2 people that have both and like the b16 better but th eir b18s arent as built as their b16s they are both great power plants and have their weeknesses and their strengths and phatty is an angry person but he knows his **** to

 

I like my b18a, I would have liked a b16a, but the b18 was readily available( locally ), and cheaper.

I hope to do a Zdyne ecu with the one wire vtec conversion eventually( oh yeah,...lsvtec baby!) or I may just turbo the thing, but for now my b18a is funas hell.

As for times, I haven't ran it for times, and i do not really street race, so I can't tell you what i have beaten.


[Modified by crux131, 4:35 PM 11/20/2001]

 

Well said.