HLCD info. (I'm a little confused as to how they size up)
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HLCD info. (I'm a little confused as to how they size up)
Aight so I'm new to the concept of HLCDs. From what I've read I think they are just a different design for higher frequencies? Assuming this is correct. how do they size up compared to traditional component tweeters. As a point of reference; I was originally looking into getting a set of Diamond Hex components until these caught my eye.
Mainly what I'm looking for is random information I didn't express an understanding of; links; or general advice. I did a search on HLCDs and got nothing on HT, which confused me.
Mainly what I'm looking for is random information I didn't express an understanding of; links; or general advice. I did a search on HLCDs and got nothing on HT, which confused me.
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Re: HLCD info. (moleodonuts)
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yup, he's talking about me - I'm probably the only personal on this site who uses/used HLCDs, so let me know if there's anything you need. Carsound.com and elitecaraudio.com are both extrememly good resources regarding horns in a car.
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Re: HLCD info. (rcurley55)
I guess I'm just generally wondering if the advantages outweight the cons in terms of sound staging vs the overall soundquality? Like were you able to get a nice constant output from them for across their freq. spectrum? If so did you have to use a nice EQ and RLA tune them or what all went into the setup in terms of tuning?
Also, how well did they mount in your car in terms of cosmetics and ergonomics? can problems with leg-room at all? Do you have pictures of the install on the internet by some random chance?
Just trying to get a feel for if this would be cost-effective or if I'd be happier with a set of Focal or Diamond components
Also, how well did they mount in your car in terms of cosmetics and ergonomics? can problems with leg-room at all? Do you have pictures of the install on the internet by some random chance?
Just trying to get a feel for if this would be cost-effective or if I'd be happier with a set of Focal or Diamond components
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Re: HLCD info. (wreckedmyteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wreckedmyteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I run my ID's down to 630hz @ 24db. That's pretty damn low.
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which horns?
unless that's a full sized body - that's too low.....
I'll have time to respond to the above questions in a bit....
Ok, I'm between meetings in Germany....here goes....
You really must listen to horns to decide if you like them - they are just different then conventionals
I, personally only see two drawbacks
1. they require more processing power/amplifier channels
2. they can encroach on the pedals
Other then that, they have the following positives:
-extreme output from little power
-controlled dispersion pattern
-one driver to cover more of the midrange and up, taking a crosover point out of some critical areas
-your system can stage and image well without kickpanels
-more dynamic output
It's very difficult for me to say if you would be happy with them. You should decide if you really want a great imaging and staging system. Typically, to get powerful midbass and a great stage, you need a three way setup with horns. If you want to sacrifice a bit of midbass output, you can go with the two way setup.
I have photos of them in my civic, but I can't remember where - a search in the archives should send you in the right direction. It took me about three tries to get it optimized. If you have done horns before, you can install a pair with mids in under 5 hours, to get the same performance from conventionals you would have to spend MANY hours building and aiming kick panels....
I didn't use an RTA, just my ears. They sounded good without EQ, but certainly improved with some EQ....
more in a bit...
Modified by rcurley55 at 2:34 AM 6/29/2004
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which horns?
unless that's a full sized body - that's too low.....
I'll have time to respond to the above questions in a bit....
Ok, I'm between meetings in Germany....here goes....
You really must listen to horns to decide if you like them - they are just different then conventionals
I, personally only see two drawbacks
1. they require more processing power/amplifier channels
2. they can encroach on the pedals
Other then that, they have the following positives:
-extreme output from little power
-controlled dispersion pattern
-one driver to cover more of the midrange and up, taking a crosover point out of some critical areas
-your system can stage and image well without kickpanels
-more dynamic output
It's very difficult for me to say if you would be happy with them. You should decide if you really want a great imaging and staging system. Typically, to get powerful midbass and a great stage, you need a three way setup with horns. If you want to sacrifice a bit of midbass output, you can go with the two way setup.
I have photos of them in my civic, but I can't remember where - a search in the archives should send you in the right direction. It took me about three tries to get it optimized. If you have done horns before, you can install a pair with mids in under 5 hours, to get the same performance from conventionals you would have to spend MANY hours building and aiming kick panels....
I didn't use an RTA, just my ears. They sounded good without EQ, but certainly improved with some EQ....
more in a bit...
Modified by rcurley55 at 2:34 AM 6/29/2004
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Re: HLCD info. (rcurley55)
I wouldn't consider horns a cost effective solution - you need a crossover that will hit around 1kHz, and you need extra amplifier channels - you can easily get away with the passives on a conventional setup.
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Re: HLCD info. (rcurley55)
you say they suck up amp outputs I assume because you have to devote one channel to the horns as apposed to conventional setup in which the full midbass and trebble may be achieved from one output?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by moleodonuts »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yowzas, do they sound nice and consistant throughout their spectrum?</TD></TR></TABLE>
They sound great. Took a little time with the RTA, but I only ended up using 3 of 5 bands on my parametric EQ.
I have them paired up with a set of Vifa 5.25's in fiberglassed q-forms. Loads of mid-bass. Bad spike at 125-160hz. Could be the kicks, or bad node in the cabin.
They sound great. Took a little time with the RTA, but I only ended up using 3 of 5 bands on my parametric EQ.
I have them paired up with a set of Vifa 5.25's in fiberglassed q-forms. Loads of mid-bass. Bad spike at 125-160hz. Could be the kicks, or bad node in the cabin.
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Re: HLCD info. (rcurley55)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
which horns?
unless that's a full sized body - that's too low.....
I'll have time to respond to the above questions in a bit....
Ok, I'm between meetings in Germany....here goes....
You really must listen to horns to decide if you like them - they are just different then conventionals
I, personally only see two drawbacks
1. they require more processing power/amplifier channels2. they can encroach on the pedals
Other then that, they have the following positives:
-extreme output from little power-controlled dispersion pattern
-one driver to cover more of the midrange and up, taking a crosover point out of some critical areas
-your system can stage and image well without kickpanels
-more dynamic output
It's very difficult for me to say if you would be happy with them. You should decide if you really want a great imaging and staging system. Typically, to get powerful midbass and a great stage, you need a three way setup with horns. If you want to sacrifice a bit of midbass output, you can go with the two way setup.
I have photos of them in my civic, but I can't remember where - a search in the archives should send you in the right direction. It took me about three tries to get it optimized. If you have done horns before, you can install a pair with mids in under 5 hours, to get the same performance from conventionals you would have to spend MANY hours building and aiming kick panels....
I didn't use an RTA, just my ears. They sounded good without EQ, but certainly improved with some EQ....
more in a bit...
Modified by rcurley55 at 2:34 AM 6/29/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
You kind of contradicted yourself there. I know the gain on my mids is cranked about 2 times higher than the gain on the horns...
Here's a pic of my passenger side:
I've got no pedal problems at all.
which horns?
unless that's a full sized body - that's too low.....
I'll have time to respond to the above questions in a bit....
Ok, I'm between meetings in Germany....here goes....
You really must listen to horns to decide if you like them - they are just different then conventionals
I, personally only see two drawbacks
1. they require more processing power/amplifier channels2. they can encroach on the pedals
Other then that, they have the following positives:
-extreme output from little power-controlled dispersion pattern
-one driver to cover more of the midrange and up, taking a crosover point out of some critical areas
-your system can stage and image well without kickpanels
-more dynamic output
It's very difficult for me to say if you would be happy with them. You should decide if you really want a great imaging and staging system. Typically, to get powerful midbass and a great stage, you need a three way setup with horns. If you want to sacrifice a bit of midbass output, you can go with the two way setup.
I have photos of them in my civic, but I can't remember where - a search in the archives should send you in the right direction. It took me about three tries to get it optimized. If you have done horns before, you can install a pair with mids in under 5 hours, to get the same performance from conventionals you would have to spend MANY hours building and aiming kick panels....
I didn't use an RTA, just my ears. They sounded good without EQ, but certainly improved with some EQ....
more in a bit...
Modified by rcurley55 at 2:34 AM 6/29/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
You kind of contradicted yourself there. I know the gain on my mids is cranked about 2 times higher than the gain on the horns...
Here's a pic of my passenger side:
I've got no pedal problems at all.
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Re: HLCD info. (rcurley55)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm probably the only personal on this site who uses/used HLCDs, </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: HLCD info. (wreckedmyteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wreckedmyteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You kind of contradicted yourself there. I know the gain on my mids is cranked about 2 times higher than the gain on the horns...
Here's a pic of my passenger side:
I've got no pedal problems at all.
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I fail to see where I contradicted myself....
-they do require more processing power - aka more crossover points and some eq is nice
-they need more amplifier channels
-they are extremely efficient, so they get loud with very little power
I ran 12W to mine and 100W to each midbass....
looks good btw
You kind of contradicted yourself there. I know the gain on my mids is cranked about 2 times higher than the gain on the horns...
Here's a pic of my passenger side:
I've got no pedal problems at all.
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I fail to see where I contradicted myself....
-they do require more processing power - aka more crossover points and some eq is nice
-they need more amplifier channels
-they are extremely efficient, so they get loud with very little power
I ran 12W to mine and 100W to each midbass....
looks good btw
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Re: HLCD info. (rcurley55)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I fail to see where I contradicted myself....
-they do require more processing power - aka more crossover points and some eq is nice
-they need more amplifier channels
-they are extremely efficient, so they get loud with very little power
I ran 12W to mine and 100W to each midbass....
looks good btw</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry I mis-read. I thought you said they required more amplifier power. You can use passives with horns...I think the CSX x-overs that match my IDs have built equalization (3k and 8k, -3db and -6db).
I fail to see where I contradicted myself....
-they do require more processing power - aka more crossover points and some eq is nice
-they need more amplifier channels
-they are extremely efficient, so they get loud with very little power
I ran 12W to mine and 100W to each midbass....
looks good btw</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry I mis-read. I thought you said they required more amplifier power. You can use passives with horns...I think the CSX x-overs that match my IDs have built equalization (3k and 8k, -3db and -6db).
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