Alright while out driving around I found a Accord for sell. Its real cherry, the paint is 9/10, the internet is 9/10 everything is nice on it. It's a 1993 4door ex. I thought the price was to good to be true. It is showing 97xxx miles on it for only $2500. The owner of the place happen to pull up and let me look at it (Its a friend of his' car) I cranked it up and it sounded nice... real quiet car considering the miles. The car, no doubt has been taken care of. One thing I did notice from the outside is the person selling it had a piece of paper on the VIN number so we could not see it. Little did they know when the guy let me open the car I moved it and got it . After testing the car out and checking the response of the clutch I concluded that the car was in excellent shape for the age. No rust, 2 small dings and a right front blink light out. Anywho, I got home and had a carfax ran on it ... now comes the to good to be true part about the price.

Car Fax Report:

CARFAX Talking CarTM
The story of this 1993 HONDA ACCORD EX (1HGCB7576PA002993) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:
This sedan has had at least 3 owners. The first title for this sedan was
reported to CARFAX by a Georgia DMV in 1993.
It has had no minor or moderate accidents reported to CARFAX.
It has had no DMV-reported total loss events, like a major accident, fire or
flood. It was issued a Not Actual Mileage title by an Ohio DMV. This title is
issued when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer. It was
also issued an Exceeds Mechanical Limits title by a Maryland DMV. This title
is issued when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.

Mileage Consistency Check:

CARFAX analyzed the mileage history for this 1993 HONDA ACCORD EX
(1HGCB7576PA002993) and found an inconsistent odometer reading. CARFAX is
uncertain whether this is a rollback or a source-level clerical error.
Please verify this mileage with your dealer or a qualified mechanic.

Reading reported on 01/07/1997: 237,251 miles
Inconsistent reading on 02/07/1997: 31,222 miles
Reading reported on 03/10/1997: 31,225 miles

11/13/2002 97,007 North CarolinaMotor Vehicle Dept.
Weaverville, NC
Title #773785023171003
New owner reported
NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE TITLE ISSUED



Modified by jester at 8:39 PM 6/28/2004

 

Might I add.... The engine itself looks really good. No signs of visable leaks at all. Spark plugs aren't gaped. I did see a bit of oil on the plug wires themselve.. Appears to me the gasket might be leaking. Im just at a loss to get it or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright while out driving around I found a Accord for sell. Its real cherry, the paint is 9/10, the internet is 9/10 everything is nice on it. It's a 1993 4door ex. I thought the price was to good to be true. It is showing 97xxx miles on it for only $2500. The owner of the place happen to pull up and let me look at it (Its a friend of his' car) I cranked it up and it sounded nice... real quiet car considering the miles. The car, no doubt has been taken care of. One thing I did notice from the outside is the person selling it had a piece of paper on the VIN number so we could not see it. Little did they know when the guy let me open the car I moved it and got it . After testing the car out and checking the response of the clutch I concluded that the car was in excellent shape for the age. No rust, 2 small dings and a right front blink light out. Anywho, I got home and had a carfax ran on it ... now comes the to good to be true part about the price.
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what does that mean? anyway, covering up the vin with a piece of paper, thats not obvious . front the person about it, lower the price if every thing else is fine with the car. a new engine would be the least of my worries because it sounds like an h candidate

 

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Haha I just showed my friend that too.

 

yeah, just get the owner to drop the price for the actual miles. take it to your trusted local mechanic and have them check it out see if they forsee any big problems in the future. also ask the owner if the timing belt has been replaced (if you havent already). barring any big problems from your mechanic or an ******* of an owner, i would say youve come across a sweet deal and you should take it!

 

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Reading reported on 01/07/1997: 237,251 miles
Inconsistent reading on 02/07/1997: 31,222 miles
Reading reported on 03/10/1997: 31,225 miles

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So what is the actual mileage...if you are getting a perfectly sound car for 2500 **** the odometer, do a compression test and either boost her or drop in the h

just my 2 cents.

 

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So what is the actual mileage...if you are getting a perfectly sound car for 2500 **** the odometer, do a compression test and either boost her or drop in the h

just my 2 cents.
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well it depends on the condition of everything else too, but thats my opinion as well

 

Sorry I mean the interior... LoL I guess I was typing and not paying attention. I will try to get some pictures of it as well. Just so you guys see how nice it is Also, I will see what I can do about taking it to a mechanic. Also forgot to mention it does have a bit of rough idle when its first started but is cleared up with 20 seconds. Someone mentioned it could be from the cai but Im not sure if that would make a difference.. How much does a check run from the mechanic ? For it to be compression tested and what not? The miles... I have no idea the numbers jump around so much you cant even establish a pattern.. But the car doesnt look like (both in and out) it would even have 40-50k on it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jester &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry I mean the interior... LoL I guess I was typing and not paying attention. I will try to get some pictures of it as well. Just so you guys see how nice it is Also, I will see what I can do about taking it to a mechanic. Also forgot to mention it does have a bit of rough idle when its first started but is cleared up with 20 seconds. Someone mentioned it could be from the cai but Im not sure if that would make a difference.. How much does a check run from the mechanic ? For it to be compression tested and what not? The miles... I have no idea the numbers jump around so much you cant even establish a pattern.. But the car doesnt look like (both in and out) it would even have 40-50k on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

if you have a regular mechanic ask a favor of him. mine does it for free. i would guestimate, 50/hr, a 1 hour quick check=50 bucks. post pics or else...

 

its not worth it.....you never know what could go wrong........a test drive never tells you anything, and mechanics cant pull apart the car to see whats going on.......

the cars been frauded, so id avoid it

 

from the sound of it, no offense, but a mechanic knows more than this guy does. when i bought my car even i had my friend mechanic second check me. if all that has been faked is the mileage lower the price on that bish and buy it

 

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i gotta agree with this guy
even the best mechanic cant see a month or two into the future by lookin at the car. for whatever reason they did some shady **** so leave it alone, unless u get it for a crazy cheap price.

 

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i gotta agree with this guy
even the best mechanic cant see a month or two into the future by lookin at the car. for whatever reason they did some shady **** so leave it alone, unless u get it for a crazy cheap price.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont trust my mechanic to be ms cleo. mechanics can, however, determine condition of parts and give guestimates on prices of what needs to be replaced

 

i will be able to get the pics of the car tomorrow.. Also the Car fax did mention that it could be a clearical error. I haven't talked to the owner yet to see if he is going to be up front with me or not.. Kinda faced witha dilemma though. I need to get a different car for the winter since I feel my rex might not make it. Might I add again the car is cherry! So maybe if I could get them to drop the price I could get a decent swap for it, don't know if I will be going h on it just yet. Maybe something to put more miles on it .. My crx runs but I need something a tad bigger.. Plus minor stuff needing to be done but considering the age ..

 

btw every part under the hood &lt;that is visable&gt; Still has a clean look to it. That is what leads me to believe a clerical error since the car is in such good shape.. but then again you never know if matida's dad had it before or not (&lt;&lt;---- might catch the joke&gt;&gt;

 

Bump.... more to come today.. Going to post what the guy tells me when I call him and also *Maybe* pics if if my friend will let me borrow his camera .

 

Alright I called the guy who owned it. When I mention the nice miles on it he said actully the odometer is broken on it . It has around 150k miles on it. He said he didnt know how much they would take on it. He said his Dad would call me back. Anywho, spoke with his dad and said that he would take 2300 cash for it. Btw forgot to mention the nice flip down cd player in it. I have a friend that will rebuild the moter for me pretty cheap until I go h. Still open for suggestions. His dad also has all the maintenance records which is a good sign.

 

ask them why they didnt tell you about the odometer before and why they tried to cover it up with paper. then give them 1900.

 

it wasnt the guy who owned it they I spoke with them about it .. I think I might try to get it down to 2000

 

check for frame damage. Is that the original paint? Compare it to the paint in the interior trunk area.

"Washing" titles in different states is a common way to clear salvage titled cars.

Does he have receipts? Is it an automatic transmission? Smell the fluids...check the fluids...are they all used up? Does the tranny fluid smell burned?

Remember: you get what you pay for.

 

havent checked the truck for the paint.. it didnt cross my mind.. I did check for moisture in it though. It seem cleaned. I will check for any visable frame damage, I briefly remember it being the same color on the engine bay.. plus it has a factory looking pin stripe.. Heh I hope no one would pay to get it put on there.

 

it is a 5 speed as well. I did check the fluids, they all look good and smell good. That was the first thing I check .. Oil was nice, they probably changed it right b4. He says he has receipts for the maintanance but I havent got with him yet.. just talked to him. I know you get what you pay for thats why I am a bit cautious to buy it

 

If the odometer is broke, and the owner says it has 150K, you have to add about 50k to the mileage. I would go into this deal believing the car has 200,000 miles and make my offer accordingly. IMO a super clean 93 is worth $2000, even if it has 200,000 miles on it. Hell, if the AC and the rest of the accessories work, it is probably worth $3000 or more.

Just remember after a swap, you will virtually have a brand new car.
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check for frame damage. Is that the original paint? Compare it to the paint in the interior trunk area.

"Washing" titles in different states is a common way to clear salvage titled cars.

Does he have receipts?
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These are very good tips. If he has service receipts (which he said he has all the maintenance records) check the mileage against those. Make sure it has had at least 2 maybe 3 timing belts.
Have you got those pictures yet?

 

Don't buy the car.....one lie will lead to another and another and it will have a snowball effect...get away from the car and find another...he's already been deceitful with you by covering the VIN number and lying abou the mileage...

 

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So what is the actual mileage...if you are getting a perfectly sound car for 2500 **** the odometer, do a compression test and either boost her or drop in the h

just my 2 cents.
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This might be a stupid question but is there anyway to drop a K series in an Accord.... I'm looking to do a tranny swap very soon... then after that either H or K20a2.... but I'm new to honda's and don't have a clue..