i just came across a post in the classifieds for one of these. i already have one and wanted to see if there was anyone else who first, has one and two, noticed the same increases that i did. i have a 92 dx hatch with d15b vtec. i was going 340-370 miles on a tank of gas which is 31.09 mpg. i put this in and instantly noticed better throttle response and more power pre vtec. gas mileage went up to 420-450 miles on a tank of gas which is roughly 36.97 mpg, so id say it would be worth the 60 bucks that they ask for them. any thoughts from anyone else?

 

No it doesn't work!! Search!!!!

 

waste of money

 

ok, well it worked for me

 

I've heard about this product and haven't had direct experience with it in a honda. However, from what I believe, this product makes further gains on a carbureted engine, as it helps mix and make a more even fuel/mixture. I'm frankly surprised you've noticed that big a change, especially with the mpg. With the fuel injection nowadays, I wouldn't imagine placing a product that 'spins' the air down the intake tube to signficantly promote a more even af ratio.

Now I never bothered taking fluid dynamics as i noticed my mechie calculation skills are just crappy compared to my electrical skills. However, I'm curious as to how this really helps. Since there's negative air pressure in the intake manifold in comparison to the airbox, the air is sucked in. Thus, does the tornado/swirl air effect carry over that far into the intake runners? I mean, I always found this to be a big marketting, 'as seen on tv' product. I might be able to reason that if there was positive air PUSHING past it, that it could make a difference. Again, I never took fluid dynamics, so I'm just taking a random educated guess here.

Have you done anything else such as an oil change/timing valve adjustments/changed gas? I always found this product to be one of those, 'as seen on tv' products, thus I've always shied away from it like most people do. bump however, i'm curious if others are getting the results you're getting.

 

let me put it this way. i live in boise, i drive back and forth between here and spokane wa, which is 450 miles away. i know very well what my car was doing before and after. before, every time i had to stop about 30 miles out of spokane to get gas, never not once did i make it all the way out of about 10 times. when i put this in, now every time i can make it all the way there plus. so its not like i just tried this once or twice. ive made over 25 trips to spokane in the past 6 mos. and this thing definatly helps. im not even going to pretend to try to figure out how it works, i do know that it does work in my car. and no, oil changes and whatnot are a factor here, i change my oil every 2 months regaurdless.

 

I have studied some aerodynamics (my head still spins from it). But I don't know much about how this device works. I am guessing it sits in the intake after the filter but before the TB? If that is true, then, depending on intake/TB/IM design, it could have an affect the whole way to the valves. But I would have to guess the affect would be minimal. (I am not saying that it does not work for you. ) It may still be enough to assist with evenly distributing the fuel through the air charge into the cylinder or parhaps it changes the air flow characteristics to reduce the amount of energy needed to fill the cylinder (similar to the difference between a high flow filter and a stock paper filter).

Just some speculation, but interesting (to me at least)....

 

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no it didnt.

FYI engineers design little ripples and baffles into your intake manifold to do the same thing as the tornado, to swirl the incomming air that goes into the combustion chamber. odds are the only reason you saw any mileage gain was because you are blocking 20% of your airflow into the engine.

the tornado is a joke and ill garuntee your car isnt any faster and your vtec didnt hit any harder


Modified by Kamin at 3:13 PM 6/25/2004

 

would it still be able to fit in a apc short ram intake which is like 3 1/2ins wide....just wondering

 

the tornado is 100% pure grade a BULLSHIT. it doesnt work, it gives you more air resistance than power. i used it, it brought the HP down, but all the thing was saving me was like $2.00 more for my gas.

 

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ok, well it worked for me-a1320honda
no it didnt.

ill garuntee your car isnt any faster and your vtec didnt hit any harder


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yes it did......., you dont know my car, do not tell me what works and what doesnt on my car, and did i say a godamn thing about vtec hitting any harder, nope sure didnt, thanks for playing though. thats cool if it didnt work on some of your cars, but it does work on mine.

 

oooo someone in boise bought a tornado??? sun getting to your head lately by any chance?

 

actualy i didnt buy it, it was given to me to try out. why do people that have probably never even tried it have so much bad stuff to say. not even just this, but everything on here.

 

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yes it did......., you dont know my car, do not tell me what works and what doesnt on my car, and did i say a godamn thing about vtec hitting any harder, nope sure didnt, thanks for playing though. thats cool if it didnt work on some of your cars, but it does work on mine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You should have know better than to post this up bro. Looks like you have been here awhile...you should know you will get flamed to hell for posting your observations on a product that people have never used or experienced but think is garbage. Then other people have to jump on the flamer bandwagon. LOL. HOWEVER those MPG gains ARE a bit extreme. I mean that is a hefty claim. I dont even think the manufacturer oif that product made claims that good.

 

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yes it did......., you dont know my car, do not tell me what works and what doesnt on my car, and did i say a godamn thing about vtec hitting any harder, nope sure didnt, thanks for playing though. thats cool if it didnt work on some of your cars, but it does work on mine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I got a bridge I can sell you.

 

Whoever is talking about air resistance is right on. If you use less air, then you'll use less fuel. If use less fuel, you'll go farther. Put in a stock airbox and try a big commuting test. Block off half of your air filter with a piece of cardboard. I bet you'll get the same results.

 

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nope ive never purchased one but ive seen one be put on a dyno! LOST 6 WHP. sure the fuel economy improved but just shove a piece of cardboard into your intake, it will do the same thing.

but you know what, im not gonna sit here and try to argue with you about it, if you think it actually helped you go ahead and belive it, but ive seen hard facts in person with REAL numbers not just your butt dyno.

 

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i was just messing btw. hey if it works for you then why not use it. i get 400+ miles to a tank on my 96, im not complaining. if i wanted to go all out on gas mileage i would've bought an hx.

 

_completely_ off topic, but I can't believe how much altitude kills your gas mileage. My 92 dx cranks of upper 40/ lower 50 mpg during the summer in IL. Friend of mine's girlfriend with an eh2 gets the same numbers off hers.

BTW we both just have PVC pipe intakes with off-brand cone air-filters

 

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I myself use a 'magnetic fuel saver'
many, many, many, say its complete BS, and in almost every aspect it is, however...
Physics 12 I did a project on it... conclusion was that in reality, the concept of putting the device on the fuel line would span out the molecules, but by the time they got to the injectors, most of them would be clumped back together again. There's a small percent tho, that remain separated.
Manufacturer claimed that it would reduce emissions, gain HP, gain MPG.
The only gain was very slight in fuel economy
edit: probably not enough to even 'pay for' the device to this day! but it was definitely interesting to experiment with, and come to my own conclusions.

the idea behind some of these devices is good, but how they are marketed is VERY deceiving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Another one of those as seen on tv products that i've heard about. I mean, all in all, these products are obviously overhyped/marketted, but I'm sure they make a very very minor difference. What's the theory behind this one? I mean, is it as simple as putting a circular magnet around the fuel line pretty much? And what exactly is there to magnetize in unleaded gasonline? Gas shouldn't have any metal in it, although there are extremely minute quantities i'm sure from the line itself. However, does anyone have any feedback on this one? What's the theory/proof?

try to keep this tech related guys, try to avoid in flaming/joining the, 'its garbage/bs product' bandwagon just to add to your post count.

In addition to the altitude affecting your gas mileage, I would only assume it is due to the lower air density = less power = need more fuel to go the same distance compared to what's 'peak' efficiency.

 

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yea yea, I just didn't know the affect could be great.

 

all i know is what i said. i use my hatch on the freeway alot. and just with that i can go alot farther on a tank than before. so, im sorry for leaving all you guys butthurt on something as simple as this. i never said i felt a huge horsepower gain or vtec hit harder or anything like that. i said i noticed better throttle response pre-vtec. but.....this is where this should end. no one is skeptical on anything about stuff like this, to everyone on here, its just a gimmick or it doesnt work. stuff like that. so once again. im sorry.


Modified by a1320honda at 7:58 PM 6/25/2004