Im geting ready to build my new motor and I don't want to build a V-tech motor is there away to make REAL POWER with out a v-tech moter and if so can you guys tell me how please thank you....

 

you can buld a non vtec motor to kick serious *** if you do a all motor or tubo applications

 

Go to pepboys and get an intake, springs, muffler, spoiler, and grill insert.

Seriously do some research on the site, non-vtec motors have the same potentioal as vtec motors.

 

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Vtech is releasing phones with motors now ?

man edit your post and change the "v-tech" to "Vtec" before people start flaming you instead of answering to your question

 

i've seen small block 350's put out some serious power.... and those are non-VTEC :-P

 

All you guys care about is making fun of ppl <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by luckyzz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Vtech is releasing phones with motors now ?

man edit your post and change the "v-tech" to "Vtec" before people start flaming you instead of answering to your question </TD></TR></TABLE>

dude I don't even know you and you can kiss my a**.......

 

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man edit your post and change the "v-tech" to "Vtec" before people start flaming you instead of answering to your question </TD></TR></TABLE>

too late, i hope one day we can all get over this whole typo thing

the difference between a vtec and a non-vtec is fairly small, unless you have a vtec and a controller for it. go for whichever is in your budget, they both have the same power potential

 

the b18b has a lot of potential. do some searches for ls turbo and you will find tons and tons of threads on the topic.

 

bump?


Modified by JUN1OR at 9:58 PM 6/23/2004

 

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would it be better to turbo a b18a, or swap the head for a b18b and turbo?

 

Billet short shifter help squeeze a lot of power from "non V-tech moters."

M4D Qu1cK Sh1Ftz yO!

 

I want to thank the guys trying to help and I really want to thank G1 for his help do you guys know any sites to go to for non V-TEC motors? and for the guys making fun of ppl yall can go BLOW EACH OTHER!!!!! GET IT <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Billet short shifter help squeeze a lot of power from "non V-tech moters."

M4D Qu1cK Sh1Ftz yO!


</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by luckyzz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Vtech is releasing phones with motors now ?

man edit your post and change the "v-tech" to "Vtec" before people start flaming you instead of answering to your question </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by furious94ls &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go to pepboys and get an intake, springs, muffler, spoiler, and grill insert.

Seriously do some research on the site, non-vtec motors have the same potentioal as vtec motors. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i think this guy is just tryin to bust our *****, just ignore him and he will go away.

 

HAHA. We're just ****** with ya man. You'll learn that soon enough. Anyway, just get a ls motor and turbo it.

 

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too late, i hope one day we can all get over this whole typo thing

the difference between a vtec and a non-vtec is fairly small, unless you have a vtec and a controller for it. go for whichever is in your budget, they both have the same power potential </TD></TR></TABLE>

Huh? I don't think a B18B will ever have the same N/A power potential as a B18C.

I have seen an N/A B18C stroked to 2.0L putting almost 250hp N/A to the front wheels. I don't think that's possible in a B18B or B20.

 

Shane Racer

Dont get youir panties in a wad, this is just part of being a n00b, when you make mistakes you get flamed. Plain and simple, remmeber everyone here once started as a n00b, and it's all how you make your first impression. Anywhere you go you have to go through your trail user, Unfortunately you made the first n00b mistake by spelling Vtec wrong It's okay though

No biggie, just do some research, the easiest way to make power with the non vtec motors (b18b or b18a is a Turbo, some poeple have managed some decent #'s out of an All motor app, but 160-170 hp is just not impressive to me.

Tell you what man Im about 10-15 minutes from Greenville, if youd like to meet up one day, Ill be more than happy to take you for a ride in my 271 hp non vtec Ls Turbo Integra. See how you like it I'll even teach you so you know how the Turbo Kit works and functions Maybe that will get you started.

Just remmeber as mad as people make you, take it as constructive critism, and make some friedns here because as far as Hondas go this is the most educational, and non ricey forum on the web

 

sounds like someone wants a date.

teeheehee

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntEGNYC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like someone wants a date.

teeheehee </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just trying to help him out, I'd say 50% of n00bs, either get banned, or they never come back because they get flamed. I swear once a week theres a n00b who gets pissed off, pisses the moderators off and before you know it, there Ip address in under thier name,lol.

 

ive dont tons of reasearch about non-vtec motors since im in the process of tryin to build mine up.... it depends how much u want to spend... u got the n/a route and the turbo route..im tryin to go the n/a route cuz it sems to be cheaper.. go wit sum crower 404's,sum skunk2 gears, safc, crower valvetrain, sum machine work, ctr pistons, skunk2 manifold, fpr and rail, chipped ecu, gsr tranny and you will have a fast b18a/b... good luck..thats exactly wat im tryin to do to my b18b

 

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would it be better to turbo a b18a, or swap the head for a b18b and turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I drive a honda but the engine codes still get me mixed up sometimes. What's the difference between a b18a and b18b? Is the the 18a the jdm ls? Once I know which engine it is I'll be able to anwser that question for ya.

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Huh? I don't think a B18B will ever have the same N/A power potential as a B18C.

I have seen an N/A B18C stroked to 2.0L putting almost 250hp N/A to the front wheels. I don't think that's possible in a B18B or B20.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well the b18b could be stroked, but like you said wouldn't be as good because n/a wise it doesn't have as much potential.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JdmLsPwr425 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive dont tons of reasearch about non-vtec motors since im in the process of tryin to build mine up.... it depends how much u want to spend... u got the n/a route and the turbo route..im tryin to go the n/a route cuz it sems to be cheaper.. go wit sum crower 404's,sum skunk2 gears, safc, crower valvetrain, sum machine work, ctr pistons, skunk2 manifold, fpr and rail, chipped ecu, gsr tranny and you will have a fast b18a/b... good luck..thats exactly wat im tryin to do to my b18b
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I think you may want to research more. Turbo is the best bang for the buck and the b18b will respond well because of the lower compression as compared to the b18c. In the end if you go n/a you will have spent more money to have a slower car than if you went turbo.

 

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I drive a honda but the engine codes still get me mixed up sometimes. What's the difference between a b18a and b18b? Is the the 18a the jdm ls? Once I know which engine it is I'll be able to anwser that question for ya.

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B18A is out of the DA Integra, Non-vtec.
B18B is out of the DC Integra, Non-vtec.

Both are pretty much the same, few small differences.

 

Well being that they're the same, why would you switch the head from one to the other.

 

TODA POWER - vtec killer cams . . . that means NO VTEC ! ! !

 

sure you can. the whole vtec vs. non vtec debate, to me, is streetability

i dont know if you know this, but vtec is a system that allows two different cam profiles, low rpm and high rpm. it allows you to have a good idle, good gas mileage, all at low rpms for driving around town.
then once you cross the almighty vtec crossover, you get the second cam profile.
as master p would say "bout it, bout it, rowdy, rowdy." you get the aggressive cam that gives you power when you want it.
so you get two worlds. steet driver good gas mileage, and haul *** high rpm power

non vtec.
you get one profile. you pick what you want. power or streetablilty
more power= less gas mileage, worse idle
less power= better mileage, better idle
so im going to build an ls/vtec to keep steet driving good.
if i was building a race car, autox, road race, drag race. id build an ls head.
cheaper. head's cheaper, cams cheaper, springs cheaper.

plus you dont need gas mileage, good idle for a race car. youre in high rpms while racing anyways. you dont need a sane steet idle cam lobe.

sorry its long, im a trial user now, i was recently banned, and i only get 5 posts a day.
or you turbo that motor and beat everyone as long as you get traction. it becomes a problem on FWD

 

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Huh? I don't think a B18B will ever have the same N/A power potential as a B18C.

I have seen an N/A B18C stroked to 2.0L putting almost 250hp N/A to the front wheels. I don't think that's possible in a B18B or B20.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ya you're right, a b18a/b will never have the same NA potential as a GSR engine. Put it has nothign to do with VTEC.

The GSR engine could have VTEC disabled and be running on a singe cam profile and it would still have the exact same potential.

Why? The reason a b18b just can't make as much power is because it was simply not built to be a highrevving engine. That 250whp GSR you talk about, it has around a 10,000rpm redline, a b18 non-vtec can never go that high,

everything about the b series VTEC engines are built to withstand highrevs much better than the LS, the entire rocker arm assembly, the rods and rod bolts, in some cases a block girdle, and the list goes on and on.

All that being said you can get great gains from a b18b. get bolt-ons. Raise CR to 11 or so, get some crower 404's, port and valve grind the head, get some arp rod bolts. the rod bolts are needed to even let you rev above 7200rpm.

with that you're looking at probably about 180whp around 7000 rpm if tuned right, peak torque would be around 135 or so, much more than a ITR or GSR. Paired with a short geared b16 tranny, light flywheel and a good clutch that's easily a low 14second car, and I wouldn't doubt it dipping into the 13's.