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Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts...
This just came to mind while reading another thread in which a respectable racer made a change in a relatively underestimated component and netted 3 SECONDS.
I'm not writing this to attack that. If that was the only change and that was the net effect then that's the end of the story - aside from different days and conditions and all the similar stuff most of us have learned from the entertaining sport of dyno racing.
Rather, I'm thinking along the lines of component-a is worth a half second, and compenent-b is worth a quarter second....and component-x is worth an nth of a second.
Hoosiers over Toyos: eh, 2-3 seconds a lap. Trick shocks: another second or two. Splitter and wing: oh, a second or two. Swedish P...uhm, trick cams, pistons and headwork: another second or two.
The point? "Gee - I'm so dissappointed that I'm not running GT3 laptimes that I'm starting to question the value in spending even more money."
And there lies the peril - when you're close on setup, you've got so much power, so much weight, and so much grip. No amount of genius will propel you past the boundaries set by the laws of physics. Appearances to the contrary likely reflect more on the state of the competition.
I've reflected on my difficulties over the past year or two improving on my average race lap, and even approaching my all time best. I've made improvements that absolutely positively increase performance. So what's the problem?
Rust on the driver? "Sure...hate to admit it". Exceptionally good rubber laid down on the track before that historic best? "Uh, yeah, that was it". Other factors: Motor getting softer? "Maybe...Probably!"
What's missing is a normalizing yardstick. How is the driver performing relative to their potential and history? How is the powerplant performing relative to it's potental and history? How is the track in comparison to it's potential and history?
This is not an exact science. Not even close. For us little guys anyway.
Scott, who when the conditions are right is gonna find those missing seconds...like a puff of smoke in the wind..."I did it!...No, Really!"...."Oh, Eat Me! Transponder Error my ***."
* Recommended Psych-Out of the week: telling somebody (thoughtfully and helpfully of course) that there ought to be at least x.x-seconds left in their car.
I'm not writing this to attack that. If that was the only change and that was the net effect then that's the end of the story - aside from different days and conditions and all the similar stuff most of us have learned from the entertaining sport of dyno racing.
Rather, I'm thinking along the lines of component-a is worth a half second, and compenent-b is worth a quarter second....and component-x is worth an nth of a second.
Hoosiers over Toyos: eh, 2-3 seconds a lap. Trick shocks: another second or two. Splitter and wing: oh, a second or two. Swedish P...uhm, trick cams, pistons and headwork: another second or two.
The point? "Gee - I'm so dissappointed that I'm not running GT3 laptimes that I'm starting to question the value in spending even more money."
And there lies the peril - when you're close on setup, you've got so much power, so much weight, and so much grip. No amount of genius will propel you past the boundaries set by the laws of physics. Appearances to the contrary likely reflect more on the state of the competition.
I've reflected on my difficulties over the past year or two improving on my average race lap, and even approaching my all time best. I've made improvements that absolutely positively increase performance. So what's the problem?
Rust on the driver? "Sure...hate to admit it". Exceptionally good rubber laid down on the track before that historic best? "Uh, yeah, that was it". Other factors: Motor getting softer? "Maybe...Probably!"
What's missing is a normalizing yardstick. How is the driver performing relative to their potential and history? How is the powerplant performing relative to it's potental and history? How is the track in comparison to it's potential and history?
This is not an exact science. Not even close. For us little guys anyway.
Scott, who when the conditions are right is gonna find those missing seconds...like a puff of smoke in the wind..."I did it!...No, Really!"...."Oh, Eat Me! Transponder Error my ***."
* Recommended Psych-Out of the week: telling somebody (thoughtfully and helpfully of course) that there ought to be at least x.x-seconds left in their car.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's missing is a normalizing yardstick. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's simple:
More driving. Less pontificating.
That's simple:
More driving. Less pontificating.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
Hate to break it to you Jeff - but driving a race car isn't all that hard to do.
Scott, who has a new idea for my own first response to one of my own posts...and who's going to try to go watch a new friend get in a race car for the first time in 3 years tomorrow - I give him about 5 laps to get up to speed. Best story I've ever heard on this kind of thing is Jaremko getting in Brewers S2 with hand controls - within about 6 laps he was right on John's time - and John is good. Mark had never driven hand controls before. Amazing.
Scott, who has a new idea for my own first response to one of my own posts...and who's going to try to go watch a new friend get in a race car for the first time in 3 years tomorrow - I give him about 5 laps to get up to speed. Best story I've ever heard on this kind of thing is Jaremko getting in Brewers S2 with hand controls - within about 6 laps he was right on John's time - and John is good. Mark had never driven hand controls before. Amazing.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
Scott, I have always wondered....Do you have a job?
One measure of difference between OK drivers and very good drivers is their consistency. I know of one very good driver (who also happens to be an Audi test driver in his spare time) who can nail...say....1:34.3's all day long, call him over the radio and tell him to run 1:35.5, and guess what, 1:35.5 for as long as you want him too. It is almost eerie to watch.
Until you are this consistent, you will NEVER know exactly how mods to the car effect laptimes.
One measure of difference between OK drivers and very good drivers is their consistency. I know of one very good driver (who also happens to be an Audi test driver in his spare time) who can nail...say....1:34.3's all day long, call him over the radio and tell him to run 1:35.5, and guess what, 1:35.5 for as long as you want him too. It is almost eerie to watch.
Until you are this consistent, you will NEVER know exactly how mods to the car effect laptimes.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
Doood - Honda-Tech is my job....er, well, I am at work anyway.
Scott, who knows that in the long run this system is probably self-correcting...then I'll be like Scott Giles and work for Honda-Tech Full-Time!
Scott, who knows that in the long run this system is probably self-correcting...then I'll be like Scott Giles and work for Honda-Tech Full-Time!
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
* Recommended Psych-Out of the week: telling somebody (thoughtfully and helpfully of course) that there ought to be at least x.x-seconds left in their car.
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Actually, a better psych-out is telling someone that their car (which they have been driving for YEARS) is at least 2-3 seconds faster, and then taking their car out and proving it to them on only your second lap in the car.
* Recommended Psych-Out of the week: telling somebody (thoughtfully and helpfully of course) that there ought to be at least x.x-seconds left in their car.
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Actually, a better psych-out is telling someone that their car (which they have been driving for YEARS) is at least 2-3 seconds faster, and then taking their car out and proving it to them on only your second lap in the car.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This just came to mind while reading another thread in which a respectable racer made a change in a relatively underestimated component and netted 3 SECONDS.
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I netted about 3 seconds by changing a relatively underestimated component. It was my driving.
<shrug>
Maybe I should have spent that entry money on a carbon fiber splitter instead?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">then I'll be like Scott Giles and work for Honda-Tech Full-Time!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I work here?
****. When do I get my first pay check?
Scott G., Who would work for Scott R. but is pretty sure he can't afford me.
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I netted about 3 seconds by changing a relatively underestimated component. It was my driving.
<shrug>
Maybe I should have spent that entry money on a carbon fiber splitter instead?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">then I'll be like Scott Giles and work for Honda-Tech Full-Time!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I work here?
****. When do I get my first pay check?
Scott G., Who would work for Scott R. but is pretty sure he can't afford me.
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Until you are this consistent, you will NEVER know exactly how mods to the car effect laptimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bingo! Mouse wins the prize!!
Until you are this consistent, you will NEVER know exactly how mods to the car effect laptimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bingo! Mouse wins the prize!!
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Having a consistent fast driver drive your car is always a nice bench mark. I know over the last few years of autocrossing I have made many changes to the suspension and sometimes when the car handled better then it ever had before , however, my times hadn't improved that much.
I had some top drivers drive my car (who had driven it previously) and the gap between us was a lot more then before. The end result was that the car was faster but I was still driving it like it was slower. After much in car footage analyzing I discovered that I was babying it through slaloms when I really should have been near flat out.
Sometimes I get stuck behind an imaginary wall about the limits of my car and it takes a fast driver to show me that it doesn't exist.
I had some top drivers drive my car (who had driven it previously) and the gap between us was a lot more then before. The end result was that the car was faster but I was still driving it like it was slower. After much in car footage analyzing I discovered that I was babying it through slaloms when I really should have been near flat out.
Sometimes I get stuck behind an imaginary wall about the limits of my car and it takes a fast driver to show me that it doesn't exist.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
I'm afraid that Carbon Fibre Splitters are like expensive fusible links for driver error. But Urethane...now that makes me Randy Baby Yeah!
So Scott - you got another 3 seconds left in you then right?
Scott, who tutt-tutt's and says "Ain't no check...this is Underground...it's barter...Now tell me a good story Dammit!"
So Scott - you got another 3 seconds left in you then right?
Scott, who tutt-tutt's and says "Ain't no check...this is Underground...it's barter...Now tell me a good story Dammit!"
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Maybe I should have spent that entry money on a carbon fiber splitter instead?
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LOL. Apparently, those of us on the east side still need helping in understanding these concepts.
Maybe I should have spent that entry money on a carbon fiber splitter instead?
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LOL. Apparently, those of us on the east side still need helping in understanding these concepts.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MightyMouseTech »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...One measure of difference between OK drivers and very good drivers is their consistency. I know of one very good driver (who also happens to be an Audi test driver in his spare time) who can nail...say....1:34.3's all day long, call him over the radio and tell him to run 1:35.5, and guess what, 1:35.5 for as long as you want him too. It is almost eerie to watch.
Until you are this consistent, you will NEVER know exactly how mods to the car effect laptimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Interesting point to bring up.
So am I the only racer here who doesn't tick off lap after race lap within a hundredth of his ever decreasing personal best?
Or do you guys just motor around at some sustainable sub-maximal effort level? And, yeah, I do know that's how you typically run an Enduro.
Scott, who is torn...torn...between the Carbon Fibre Bling Elitism of the West Coast, and the sKilzz Snobbery Elitism of the East Coast...I'm gonna opt for just staying weird!
Until you are this consistent, you will NEVER know exactly how mods to the car effect laptimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Interesting point to bring up.
So am I the only racer here who doesn't tick off lap after race lap within a hundredth of his ever decreasing personal best?
Or do you guys just motor around at some sustainable sub-maximal effort level? And, yeah, I do know that's how you typically run an Enduro.
Scott, who is torn...torn...between the Carbon Fibre Bling Elitism of the West Coast, and the sKilzz Snobbery Elitism of the East Coast...I'm gonna opt for just staying weird!
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Originally Posted by RR98ITR
So Scott - you got another 3 seconds left in you then right?
Originally Posted by RR98ITR
Now tell me a good story Dammit!"
Once there was a boy with an Integra GSR. It was a 1994 model and one of the first of a very popular car. The boy thought he was special. Then he started tracking and autocrossing it, he did pretty good and was further convinced of his specialness. Along came time trials and hill climbs where the boy did extremely well. He also started teaching other people to drive from their right seats. His specialness was plentiful and shared all across the land. The Integra was widely regarded as special too.
Then the boy decided to race. He first raced with NASA where many of the other boys were special but had not really raced. The special boy did extremely well once again, winning lots of trophies and having pictures taken with big boobied girls. It was so special he could hardly deal with his own specialness.
Then, the boy sold his beloved special Integra and built a jalopy SCCA ITC car. It was far less special in the special boys eyes than his beloved special Integra. But he nevertheless looked forward to continuing his winning ways in his new car with his new opponents. He was sure he could continue to win because, you know, he was so damned special.
But alas the special boy did not win in the SCCA. It certainly could not have been the special boy's fault. After all, he had done nothing but win everything he'd tried for 8 years. It HAD to be that unspecial new car. Damn that cursed new car.
So the special boy got a friend to co-drive an enduro so he could get help with locating the issue with the cursed new unspecial car. The boy's (apparently very special) friend hopped in the cursed car and ran 1.5 seconds off the track record... On old tires... In July.
"Nothin' wrong with this car" the special boy's friend said. "Its actually pretty special, I really like it" the friend said.
Hmmmm... Could it be that the special boy wasn't so special after all? Maybe?
Alas, it seemed that it was. After all, the special boy's friend had just bested him in his own car by 5 seconds per lap. This was certainly a less than special performance.
So the special boy stopped longing for the loss of his old special Integra and focused on his own driving style. With the help of advice from his (truly) special friends and lots of videotape he began to see his errors and correct them.
"Less Brakes" the special boy's friends would say. "Fast in Fast out" They'd say. "That was really smooth, it was also really slow" was heard more than once.
Slowly the special boy improved. Picking up a second here and a second there until finally one day the special boy found himself fighting for a race win with a multiple time ARRC winner. The special boy, once again, felt special. Now the special boy finishes races up front, where he likes to be. And the new car, well, he feels like its pretty special. Especially when all he's doing between races is washing it and changing the oil.
Special indeed.
How's that?
I can change the ending if you like. It could easily be about a special boy who spends all of his time thinking about how his car should handle if he ever actually drives it. The working title is "No Thanks, I'm Still Testing."
Its an easy edit, just let me know.
Scott, who can't work because its raining and can do this all day.
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Let me see if I get this right:
So because you thought you were so special, when you really sucked, I really ought to be able, if I'd just drive more often, of turning GT3 laptimes with my ITR.
Riigghhht.
I'll be waiting for a report on how Walt turned Formula Atlantic times with your ITC car.
Scott, who remembers the "consensus" on this board that the 3-4 seconds spanning a Spec Miata field was mostly due to the different prep level of the leading cars....
So because you thought you were so special, when you really sucked, I really ought to be able, if I'd just drive more often, of turning GT3 laptimes with my ITR.
Riigghhht.
I'll be waiting for a report on how Walt turned Formula Atlantic times with your ITC car.
Scott, who remembers the "consensus" on this board that the 3-4 seconds spanning a Spec Miata field was mostly due to the different prep level of the leading cars....
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Grab a zoloft and try to keep things apples to apples Mr. Rinde.
Which do you care about more? Winning or tinkering?
It doesn't seem that you have the time or the budget for both, so pick one.
Or you could just keep writing about the mental loopies here on a weekly basis. Whatever floats your boat, I'm just trying to help.
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He certainly couldn't do that. But he'd be faster than me and I'd learn from it.
He'd probably be faster than you too. Would you learn from it?
Scott, who says you might suck too. Really. You might.
Which do you care about more? Winning or tinkering?
It doesn't seem that you have the time or the budget for both, so pick one.
Or you could just keep writing about the mental loopies here on a weekly basis. Whatever floats your boat, I'm just trying to help.
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He certainly couldn't do that. But he'd be faster than me and I'd learn from it.
He'd probably be faster than you too. Would you learn from it?
Scott, who says you might suck too. Really. You might.
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Scott, who is torn...torn...between the Carbon Fibre Bling Elitism of the West Coast, and the sKilzz Snobbery Elitism of the East Coast...I'm gonna opt for just staying weird!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Easy there! That's OUR charter here between the Elitist coasts - weirdness.
Scott, who is torn...torn...between the Carbon Fibre Bling Elitism of the West Coast, and the sKilzz Snobbery Elitism of the East Coast...I'm gonna opt for just staying weird!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Easy there! That's OUR charter here between the Elitist coasts - weirdness.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Scott, who remembers the "consensus" on this board that the 3-4 seconds spanning a Spec Miata field was mostly due to the different prep level of the leading cars....</TD></TR></TABLE>Ha! Sorry I missed that one.
Scott, who remembers the "consensus" on this board that the 3-4 seconds spanning a Spec Miata field was mostly due to the different prep level of the leading cars....</TD></TR></TABLE>Ha! Sorry I missed that one.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which do you care about more? Winning or tinkering?
It doesn't seem that you have the time or the budget for both, so pick one.
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Gee - how important is Winning? "I've GOT to make a decision!" "Scott Giles says I must pick one - and so I MUST".
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He'd probably be faster than you too. Would you learn from it?
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Oh, no doubt. How could I reasonably deny it.
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Might? Don't be so generous. Of course I suck.
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You say it works pretty good?
Scott, who just doesn't buy into the zero sum game...
It doesn't seem that you have the time or the budget for both, so pick one.
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Gee - how important is Winning? "I've GOT to make a decision!" "Scott Giles says I must pick one - and so I MUST".
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Oh, no doubt. How could I reasonably deny it.
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Might? Don't be so generous. Of course I suck.
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You say it works pretty good?
Scott, who just doesn't buy into the zero sum game...
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Easy there! That's OUR charter here between the Elitist coasts - weirdness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If there's one thing that can get the hackles up on the weird it's competition...in weirdness.
Bring it ON!
Scott, who's secret fear is that he mostly sucks...at weirdness...It's all an act - I'm a closet conformist.
Easy there! That's OUR charter here between the Elitist coasts - weirdness.
</TD></TR></TABLE>If there's one thing that can get the hackles up on the weird it's competition...in weirdness.
Bring it ON!
Scott, who's secret fear is that he mostly sucks...at weirdness...It's all an act - I'm a closet conformist.
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Don't you ever wonder what it would be like to race the GSR with your new skills? Or does the combination of low maintenance and good competition completely remove that temptation?
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Gee - how important is Winning? "I've GOT to make a decision!" "Scott Giles says I must pick one - and so I MUST".
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No, I just said I was trying to help. I never said you "must" anything.
Maybe you should take two of whatever it is you keep refusing to take. I haven't tried it myself, but I hear the zoloft is pretty nice.
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Scott, who just doesn't buy into the zero sum game...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Me neither, but when its proven that there is speed in the car that I'm not getting out of it, I put down the wrenches and put on the Sparco. Seems pretty simple from my chair.
Maybe it's that I'm not as smart as you and feel the need to keep things less complicated so that I can follow my own thought processes.
Scott, who has a little extra work before his next race... buffing out the RX7 donut on the driver's side.
Gee - how important is Winning? "I've GOT to make a decision!" "Scott Giles says I must pick one - and so I MUST".
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No, I just said I was trying to help. I never said you "must" anything.
Maybe you should take two of whatever it is you keep refusing to take. I haven't tried it myself, but I hear the zoloft is pretty nice.
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Scott, who just doesn't buy into the zero sum game...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Me neither, but when its proven that there is speed in the car that I'm not getting out of it, I put down the wrenches and put on the Sparco. Seems pretty simple from my chair.
Maybe it's that I'm not as smart as you and feel the need to keep things less complicated so that I can follow my own thought processes.
Scott, who has a little extra work before his next race... buffing out the RX7 donut on the driver's side.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
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Yes, but not MY GSR. Too expensive and time consuming to maintain.
But I'd race someone else's in a heartbeat.
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Add "low consumables cost" to that and you're there.
IM your address and I'll mail you a prize.
Yes, but not MY GSR. Too expensive and time consuming to maintain.
But I'd race someone else's in a heartbeat.
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Add "low consumables cost" to that and you're there.
IM your address and I'll mail you a prize.
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
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Too expensive and time consuming to maintain.
But I'd race someone else's in a heartbeat.
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Surely you're not referring to Karl's are you?
Too expensive and time consuming to maintain.
But I'd race someone else's in a heartbeat.
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Surely you're not referring to Karl's are you?
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
Scott,
It's ok with me if you leave your car alone and just drive it.
Why does it twist your tail that I like to fiddle with mine?
Why do I have to suck?
Maybe I don't suck?
Maybe there are technical issues to be worked out?
Maybe I can work on Driver and Car together?
Maybe...Maybe...I'm right on the verge of a Giant Breakthrough!
Scott, who is just sure on that last point...I'm gonna turn one of my little ***** a click in the other direction and several seconds are gonna come tumbling out of the gumball machine...
It's ok with me if you leave your car alone and just drive it.
Why does it twist your tail that I like to fiddle with mine?
Why do I have to suck?
Maybe I don't suck?
Maybe there are technical issues to be worked out?
Maybe I can work on Driver and Car together?
Maybe...Maybe...I'm right on the verge of a Giant Breakthrough!
Scott, who is just sure on that last point...I'm gonna turn one of my little ***** a click in the other direction and several seconds are gonna come tumbling out of the gumball machine...
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Re: Predictive Lap Times....no, no, not like Stack...you know, just adding up gains from trick parts
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Scott, since when are you running boost in your race car?
Scott, since when are you running boost in your race car?