hello would it be a good idea to thermal wrap this manifold? would it warp it?

i heard the wastegate placement sucks. would a tial style wastegate work ok with this manifold? tia

how do u wrap the part where they come together?

















Modified by egturbo at 5:09 AM 6/18/2004

 

its not really worth it man, I suggest getting a different manifold

 

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already bought it for $115 good price? he says its the newer gen of these manifolds and works fine.

 

my friend and a kid i fabricate stuff bought one without asking me about it first...

they are very thin and i suspect it will crack. It has two cheesy "brackets" aren't even really in a position to do anything but hold the flange in position for manufacturing.

inside the collector was total garbage with 4 unevenly cut off tubes sticking in at random lengths... took me about an hour of grinding with a carbide bit to get it even somewhat smoothed out in there. (although i was careful not to grind on the existing welds)

and yeah the wastegate placement sucks, it makes the exhaust gasses do a 270 degree turn back out of the manifold. stupid. He isn't seeing any boost creep but its probably because he's running a great big .63 housing with only a 50 trim t3 compressor (old school volvo 240 turbo), with a big t3 t4 i suspect virtually any wastegate you put on there would creep.

if your going to run it definantly take a good look at inside the collector and how the wastegate is put togheter. His wastegate hole was way smaller then it needed to be and i was able to open it up about an extra 1/2" they just didn't feel like cutting.

overall though, uh, how would i say this, you get what you pay for.

oh and i wouldn't recommend heat wrapping it because it is already so thin its going to be prone to stress related failure anyways. The more heat you get OUT of that thing the longer its gonna last.

tial 38mm is the gate to use with that manifold.

http://www.full-race.com &lt;-- manifold you won't have to mess with.

 

Hmm. I am currently working with an SS Manifold right now.

Lots have their own goods/bad about them. For the price, it doesnt look to bad. I took my time to Grind little things down and yes, I agree that the runner inside sucks! and the WG area sucks.

I actually took my time to use a Dremel (Only little thing that can get in there) With a fiber disk to grind metal and spent almost 1 full day!! Grinding the inside to make it work. Remember, to Bore out the WG area. It looks very sloppy and not very thought out..

this manifold came like crap..But if you got time and patients, and give it a little touch-up and it will work like a charm!

I actually braced more of the manifold and WG flange. For extra protection.. Want pictures? Message me on aim: viet2lonely

Heres a Peak~



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more pics are up. i know pretty shitty but i want tubular and this is all i can afford.

oh and can my rev hard downpipe be used with this manifold with no mods?
will post pics of downpipe up top tia

 

i have ehard and seen a lot of cracking issues with these manifolds.

 

i heard they did redesign it with thicker tubing.... anyone know for sure?

 

I had one of these last year. I hated it with passion. boost creep, broke 5 times, wastegate fell off, good thing hose was connected to it or I would of lost it on a highway. I got Lovefab SST and loving it.
U get what u pay for. I dont recommend it to anyone

 

Check out http://www.akarimotorsports.com for information on coating that manifold. I got one coated along with a turbo and they did a fantastic job

 

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**** ur's isnt braced.. arent u scared? brace that nice though good luck on that

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yeah u got urs last year. i heard their better now. can somone confirm?? the guy i bought it from said its the new gen manifold.

 

I don't speak from experience, but people tell you what you want to hear if they are selling something. They could tell me it will never crack guaranteed, give me 20HP AND cook me breakfast and I still wouldn't buy it. Bad reputations leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth, long after the problems have been remedied.

 

That manifold has enough problems with cracking the way it is. Adding heat wrap is only going to multiply this problem exponentially.

Also no matter how much bracing and "tweaking" you can do to that manifold it still isn't going to change from the crappy steel its made out of.

 

There is nothing wrong with the SSAC manifold, when you are shopping for an inexpensive manifold, aside from wastegate exit. There are still a lot of people running one without a problem despite the unideal nature of it.

I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times, I'll say it again: Has anybody supported turbo and wastegate so they hang there with all the bolts to the manifold removed, and had the manifold crack? Your answer is no. There is not a single thin wall tubular manifold out there designed to support the turbo's weight, to support the wastegate's weight. If you support your turbo/wastegate so the SSAC is a manifold and not a load bearing member, you have no problems.

As far as wrapping the unit... no comment. I'm not entirely sure how that would effect hydrogen metal embrittlement.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is nothing wrong with the SSAC manifold, when you are shopping for an inexpensive manifold, aside from wastegate exit. There are still a lot of people running one without a problem despite the unideal nature of it.

I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times, I'll say it again: Has anybody supported turbo and wastegate so they hang there with all the bolts to the manifold removed, and had the manifold crack? Your answer is no. There is not a single thin wall tubular manifold out there designed to support the turbo's weight, to support the wastegate's weight. If you support your turbo/wastegate so the SSAC is a manifold and not a load bearing member, you have no problems.

As far as wrapping the unit... no comment. I'm not entirely sure how that would effect hydrogen metal embrittlement.

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No one understands this, they spend money having a million braces welded on the manifold when all it takes is a few brackets from the block to the turbo. I can pull my SSAC manifold off without the turbo/DP moving one bit....there is no weight on the manifold.

 

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No one understands this, they spend money having a million braces welded on the manifold when all it takes is a few brackets from the block to the turbo. I can pull my SSAC manifold off without the turbo/DP moving one bit....there is no weight on the manifold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

DO U GUYZ have pics of this process?

 

only pic i have....this is what i did on the turbine side ( supports DP and turbo, I have another bracket on the comp. side just no pics)

 

damn.. need more better pics hard to see it. thanks though.

 

why do they even bother putting decent flanges on those things...
You would think they would put the cheapest **** on there possible, like the tubing

 

my boy has a b16T with that manifold. no, it is not braced at all. he has had his kit on for 3.5 months and he is now on his 3rd ssac turbo manifold. if you brace it, i'm sure it will be fine, but, is it really worth the headache?

 

Well, in the case of the manifold costing $115, yea it's worth it, you can afford to throw it away if it breaks, I mean it is cheaper than most log manifolds.

 

I had an SSautochrome manifold on for over 6 months with no problems, with only the braces going from the exhaust flange to the turbo flange, which was how it came.

 

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brace the manifold all you want and it will still likely crack. Most of the braced ones ive seen do nothing other than just put stress on another area of the manifold....Brace the turbo and this manifold WON'T crack, its that simple. If you look at some of the other tubular manifolds (hytech, kooks,etc) they all have the turbo supported somehow.

 

i have bought the same mani.
This is whatwill do is brace it in a lot of places. I will also wrap thermo wrap.
But i heard that wrapping the mani/ headers(for a NA car) can crack because of the heat

Calvin

 

i got it yesterday and it look way better than the pictures. and the tubes seem pretty thick not that bad.nice and shiny too lol.. we'll see how it works i dont think imma wrap it though just to be on the safe side but damn i got so much wrap left

what else should i w rap? the charge pipe on the cold side with the bov on it??