Which clutch should i go with?
my plans are to go boost with my b18c1...with stock internals...probably no more then 250whp. Do you guys thing a exedy organic race clutch hold up to that power? or should i get a act heavy duty pp with disc?...or should i go xtreme pp.?
i love my southbend clutch. i had a act but this clutch kicks *** to that one. get the dxd
http://www.southbendclutch.com
or
http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/
http://www.southbendclutch.com
or
http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by howser111 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">exedy organic stage 1 only holds about 270hp.. call up ClutchCity toll free at 866-762-5141 and ask them about it.. they'll help you out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow...realli?...i thought exedy organic clutch is for lightly mod engines?...turbo isn't consider lightly mod....but i am only boost at 5psi...
...do you realli think it'll hold?..i'm not too sure of that.
Wow...realli?...i thought exedy organic clutch is for lightly mod engines?...turbo isn't consider lightly mod....but i am only boost at 5psi...
...do you realli think it'll hold?..i'm not too sure of that.
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The exedy organic is a great clutch as long as you keep it under 220whp...anymore than that and it will start to slip. Since your going to spend big bucks boosting anyway...go spend the extra $200-300 and get yourself a quality clutch to save the trouble from replacing it after you burn it once your boosted.
well..i'm still not too sure about which clutch i should get...and i'm debating over if the exedy race clutch is the same the act heavy clutch kit...they both say they increase their tq PP by 30% what am i missing here...what's the differant bysides the price.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by howser111 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think its 250whp. I think its more around 225-230whp. Not too sure on that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aznstyler119 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5psi on a stock gsr is about 250whp...correct meh if i'm wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>
Both of you are wrong. There is no way to tell how much power your going to make at 5 PSI if you don't tell us the setup
. You could be running a little ***** of a turbo and a shitty setup and not even make 200whp or you could run a killer setup and be around 250whp, it all depends on your setup. There is no set in stone whp for each psi, etc. Every car is different and every setup is different and every tuner is different, the only way to to tell is to get it on a dyno and find out. Unless you have a killer setup then I doubt you'll make 250whp, but you'll be fairly close depending on your setup. Nobody could tell you how much power your making even if you gave us the exact setup, it depends on the condition of your motor, the tune and everything else.
On to the clutch. Im using a Dual centerforce clutch on my Turbo GSR, im pushing "around" 250whp (hitting the dyno in about 2 weeks), i've been in several turbo cars so this is just an assumption, but its around there. I've got a .5 bar spring in my wastegate so thats 7.25psi.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aznstyler119 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5psi on a stock gsr is about 250whp...correct meh if i'm wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>
Both of you are wrong. There is no way to tell how much power your going to make at 5 PSI if you don't tell us the setup
. You could be running a little ***** of a turbo and a shitty setup and not even make 200whp or you could run a killer setup and be around 250whp, it all depends on your setup. There is no set in stone whp for each psi, etc. Every car is different and every setup is different and every tuner is different, the only way to to tell is to get it on a dyno and find out. Unless you have a killer setup then I doubt you'll make 250whp, but you'll be fairly close depending on your setup. Nobody could tell you how much power your making even if you gave us the exact setup, it depends on the condition of your motor, the tune and everything else. On to the clutch. Im using a Dual centerforce clutch on my Turbo GSR, im pushing "around" 250whp (hitting the dyno in about 2 weeks), i've been in several turbo cars so this is just an assumption, but its around there. I've got a .5 bar spring in my wastegate so thats 7.25psi.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by howser111 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ACT takes oem Exedy clutches and modifies them. Exedy is a true racing clutch.</TD></TR></TABLE>Obviously you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to our B series clutch. There are many clutches where we start off with Exedy parts, but not in the case of the Integra. On the B series we have our own stampings, castings, diaphragms, drivestraps, etc. It was the only way we could get the capacity we are looking for, along with SFI cert. etc. On other clutches where we do use Exedy parts, we "modify" them as you say, by changing the diaphragm spring and making improvements necessary for performance applications. Don't get me wrong, Exedy is a good clutch. So what makes the Exedy a "true racing clutch" in your opinion?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACTman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Obviously you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to our B series clutch. There are many clutches where we start off with Exedy parts, but not in the case of the Integra. On the B series we have our own stampings, castings, diaphragms, drivestraps, etc. It was the only way we could get the capacity we are looking for, along with SFI cert. etc. On other clutches where we do use Exedy parts, we "modify" them as you say, by changing the diaphragm spring and making improvements necessary for performance applications. Don't get me wrong, Exedy is a good clutch. So what makes the Exedy a "true racing clutch" in your opinion?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Someone just got owned.
. I would say tilton makes a true racing clutch.
Someone just got owned.
. I would say tilton makes a true racing clutch.
the ACT man himself came on here to set things straight. Good stuff
Quick question: How does the ClutchMasters stage 4 hold up in comparison to the ACT and for this amount of HP?
I just thought that the Integra clutch was modified, because everything else you make is modified. If you make your own clutches for Integras, why not for all cars? Also, where is your manufacturing facility? At least when I get Exedy I know that it is 100% Exedy and not 10% this or 10% that. I feel that Exedy are true racing clutches, because they are not rebuilt, they are manufactured. Don't you also think Exedy is somewhat superior if you use them in your kits. I don't think ACT are bad clutches, I just prefer Exedy over them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aznstyler119 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5psi on a stock gsr is about 250whp...correct meh if i'm wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think your expectations might be a tad high, good luck though
I think your expectations might be a tad high, good luck though
get the ACT heavy duty clutch holds up to 243 pounds of torque. i got one and will be putting it in tomorrow.
i got mines for $400 shipped from import-palace.com or get clutchmaster stage 3.
i got mines for $400 shipped from import-palace.com or get clutchmaster stage 3.
Please to tell us how 5psi boost will produce 250 hp?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntEGNYC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please to tell us how 5psi boost will produce 250 hp?
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250 WHP at that .....
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250 WHP at that .....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by howser111 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I just thought that the Integra clutch was modified, because everything else you make is modified. If you make your own clutches for Integras, why not for all cars? QUOTE]Good quesion. The real reason we don't is because of economics and because there is no advantage in most cases. It costs us about $100,000 in tooling and development per application to manufacture a clutch from scratch. It takes an OEM a estimated $2-300,000 to do the same thing. If there is little or no advantage in design or very little demand, it just doesn't make sense to make them from scratch. In the case of the B clutch, we needed a more rigid cover that made room for wider torque straps because the stock straps and strap rivets would fail and there was not enough room in the cover to fit wider straps and larger rivets. Also the stock castings were gray iron which needed to be replaced with ductile iron for SFI certification (safety) and the cost for the stock covers was very expensive. Of course the B series clutch is very popular, so with all this under consideration, the investment was a no-brainer.
Even the OEM clutch companies like Exedy don't make all of their own products. For instance an Exedy part for a Toyota may really a re-boxed Aisin/Asco part (OEM for Toyotas). This is because of the large investment required. If Exedy isn't going to get enough return on investment for the tens of thousands of replacement clutches they sell for a Toyota, then for sure we won't see enough return for the thousands or just hundreds of performance clutches we may sell for one application.
[QUOTE=howser111]Also, where is your manufacturing facility? At least when I get Exedy I know that it is 100% Exedy and not 10% this or 10% that. I feel that Exedy are true racing clutches, because they are not rebuilt, they are manufactured. Don't you also think Exedy is somewhat superior if you use them in your kits.</TD></TR></TABLE>We are in Lancaster, CA. We only use new clutches so we are not really rebuilt, but re-manufactured new parts (except B-series which is all-ours). Many of the components are manufactured specifically for us. When we assemble our clutches, we test and computer balance each part. We don't just slap them together.
If you get an Exedy performance part that is 90% stock Exedy except for the 20% stronger Exedy diaphragm or you get an ACT that is 90% stock Exedy except for the 50% stronger ACT diaphragm, theirs is not much difference in design than ours, except that we tend to get a little more aggressive with our diaphragm. Exedy superior? How do you measure that? In torque capacity, in manufacturing capability, in technical advantage, lifespan, pedal effort, cost? Maybe in your estimate, Exedy is superior. Cool. Of course I have a natural bias toward ACT.
Even the OEM clutch companies like Exedy don't make all of their own products. For instance an Exedy part for a Toyota may really a re-boxed Aisin/Asco part (OEM for Toyotas). This is because of the large investment required. If Exedy isn't going to get enough return on investment for the tens of thousands of replacement clutches they sell for a Toyota, then for sure we won't see enough return for the thousands or just hundreds of performance clutches we may sell for one application.
[QUOTE=howser111]Also, where is your manufacturing facility? At least when I get Exedy I know that it is 100% Exedy and not 10% this or 10% that. I feel that Exedy are true racing clutches, because they are not rebuilt, they are manufactured. Don't you also think Exedy is somewhat superior if you use them in your kits.</TD></TR></TABLE>We are in Lancaster, CA. We only use new clutches so we are not really rebuilt, but re-manufactured new parts (except B-series which is all-ours). Many of the components are manufactured specifically for us. When we assemble our clutches, we test and computer balance each part. We don't just slap them together.
If you get an Exedy performance part that is 90% stock Exedy except for the 20% stronger Exedy diaphragm or you get an ACT that is 90% stock Exedy except for the 50% stronger ACT diaphragm, theirs is not much difference in design than ours, except that we tend to get a little more aggressive with our diaphragm. Exedy superior? How do you measure that? In torque capacity, in manufacturing capability, in technical advantage, lifespan, pedal effort, cost? Maybe in your estimate, Exedy is superior. Cool. Of course I have a natural bias toward ACT.
i've seen people with gsr stock with turbo...boosted at 5psi..makin around 250whp....so...that's why i said 250...i'll be happy if i get my car to be in the 13's i dont realli car about the whp or tq....it's the time that counts of meh..
....i have a question...about puck clutches now...i heard that the more pucks u have the smoother u can drive....is that true?.....i alwayz thought that puck clutches are never smooth...alwayz have a quick grab to them....is that also true?...i need a good srong daily driver clutch that handles turbo...
...thx fo all the comments u guys made....
....i have a question...about puck clutches now...i heard that the more pucks u have the smoother u can drive....is that true?.....i alwayz thought that puck clutches are never smooth...alwayz have a quick grab to them....is that also true?...i need a good srong daily driver clutch that handles turbo...
...thx fo all the comments u guys made....


