are there any hot to's for installing b series dual valve springs on the internet anywhere?

 

do you have the tools to do this?

 

http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto.php
try there

 

Just don't lose any of those keepers,,,,,,,,,,,,,because, don't expect your local Honda dealership to stock them.

 

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yeah little things like that are a pain to track down label all your valves too

 

not worth attempting unless you have the tools on hand and a basic idea of what your doing, once you have those take your time and do it in a clean somewhat enclosed area, i find it helps alot to put assembly lube on the keepers so that you can compress the spring then just stick them on the valve and let the spring out.

 

Do you have a helms? They expalin in detail what you need to do. If you dont pm me and I can give you the link to dl them.

 

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If your talking about doing it in the car I found its much easier to put them in the retainer then compress the springs while holding them firmly with the tip of your finger. You can feel them "pop" into place and they go right in when you let off the spring. I tried both ways and found this way to be much easier and less stressful

 

wow..ok where to start...ill be doing this off the car..im using the stock valves..im replacing the valve springs and retainers..i did search and found somewhat usefull info to give me an idea of what to do..and i have seen some of the tools used to do this..im probally gonna use the socket method...i dont understand how the keepers work , how they stay in place,and how they go back on...i tried to visualize them but i just have to see them or somthing...im guessing that when you compress the spring in the head by pushing down on the retainer the keeper flys off? is this correct?...how am i supposed to reinstall it?..does anyone have any blown up pics of anything that shows the keeper installed and a keeper unisntalled?

 

u hit it with a hammer really hard. they come ut and you have to find them.

you cant reinstall them without a special spring compressor. take it to your local machine shop and its like 35$ to put the whole valvetrain back in

 

i thought i could install them my self...all i have to do is hold the valve up and compress the spring by pushing down on it...i just dont understand how the keeper works as far as coming off and going back on..and what do you mean hit it real hard?...i hit the socket that is the size of the retainer real hard to compress the spring real fast and pop off the keeper?

 

you can use a socket to get them out but it would be really challenging to use a socket to get them back in. If you buy a valve spring compressor from somewhere it'll be worth your while. If you don't want to buy a spring compressor and have the head off it shouldn't be too expensive to have someone else do it. any garage or mechanic should have the tools needed. Go to b20vtec.com, they have a write up about doing it in the car with the head on, you should be able to get the idea about doing it outside the car from the write up.

 

have fun bro. that **** is a pain. but after a few you'll get quicker.

 

this should help

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=864710

 

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socket that fits just about the size of the retainer. just a bit smaller. 6" extension or so. hammer. bang on the end of the extension and then search for the keeper. if you are careful theyll still be inside the socket.;

 

you have to buy a c-type valve spring compressor. you should also hand-lap your valves/seats while youre at it. if you have the confidence to do it yourself, you probably have the intelligence to do it. be careful, use assembly lube to hold the valve locks (keepers), and good luck!

In my personal opinion, I strongly suggest NOT USING THE SOCKET METHOD. i mean, really, would you trust a mechanic in a shop to work on your car with a hammer in one hand? there is a right way to do things, and then there is a hammer to cheat with...

if you buy new valves, dont try to do it by yourself because all the valves have to sit at the same height so one spring doesnt bind before another.

 

the socket is just for removing it. saves a lot of time. and cant really mess anything up if done right.

 

RAB. where do you buy lapping compund and how do you properly use it. I believe the best method is to recut the seats, but in this particular head i have i would like to try to lap them.

 

well the socket approach is your choice, but i wouldnt recommend it. you should be able to get lapping compound at the local parts store, or off of a snap, mac, cornwell, or any other tool truck. it is a two sided, small jar. one side is compound for the first step, while the second is the finer compound to finish it up. your also going to need the valve lapping tool, which is a peice of wood with suction cups on either side.

if you are going to get new seats cut, just let the machinist do all the valve work because then he will have to go thru and cut valve stems to make sure they are all the right height.

TIP; after youve hand lapped them, assemble the valve springs/valves, and new seats, blow a little air into the port and feel for any leaks on the other side. if there is significant air leaking into the combustion chamber, it would be best to take it to the machine shop for new seats to be cut.

good luck, and i hope everything works out for you!

 

can you et the suction cup tool at the part store too? and when you lap them you just apply it to the base of the valve, slide it in the seat and twist by pushing the suction cup onto the bottom of the valve?

 

If you need help with the valvetrain, let me know, done a few before.....as long as the head is off.

 

yeah...i know at my local autozones, they have all the tools needed to hand lap valves. they also have c-type compressors.

 

i just got from NAPA grease based valve lapping compund, and a water based kind. each is in its own container, and the greade one feels alittle grittier. RAB could you check against what you have and tell me if what i got is right? i got the suction thing too.

 

thanks everyone..i know for a fact this thread will be helpfull to me in about a week or two...im gonna get new high comp std size valves while im at it....i think im gonna pay someone to do all the valve work and while they are at it ill have them install the springs and retiners...for this type of work do i need to go to a honda specialist or will any machine shop know how to do what i want done?

 

Any machine shop can do it as well a honda specialist.....try Apex, they do alot of work locally.