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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 08:14 PM
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It really seems like my SS tranny is holding me back, so I'm considering a swap (towards the end of summer), and I was wondering if an RSX Type-S tranny would work with the H22A4.

Would the RSX-S tranny be a wise choice for drag racing? I've heard that first-third gear isn't their strong point. Would I be likely to get into 4th and 5th on the 1/4?

Assuming the swap is possible and would be a wise choice if I wanted to use the car for legal drag racing on a bi-monthly (approximately) basis, would I be able to order a RSX-S tranny from a dealer? My car has just over 7,000 miles (passed 7,000 going to Barnes & Noble yesterday, actually), and I don't want to put in a tranny with a lot of miles... I'd prefer brand new.

If not an RSX-S tranny, then what? Someday I'd like to make it into the 300+whp range, so what tranny would be best for big horsepower and drag racing?
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 08:26 PM
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you should swap an h22 tranny in there, make sure the synchro's are
good and drop a quafie in there or get a tranny with oem lsd.

You are wanting to swap a maunal tranny in there right?
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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Damn, if your car has only 7k miles, the price is still good enough to trade for a 5 speed base lude and call it a day.

But, who tf would trade their electron blue prelude? If mine was, i would keep the **** as is and buy a eg and drop an h22 and do some real camaro ss slapping.

That is just me.
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 08:53 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SKDRCR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you should swap an h22 tranny in there, make sure the synchro's are
good and drop a quafie in there or get a tranny with oem lsd.

You are wanting to swap a maunal tranny in there right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, it seems like manual is the only option if I want to make big HP numbers. Are there any auto tranny's that are good for drag racing? maybe the new 5-speed SS on the new JDM Odyssey's?
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 08:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by naujcdl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> If mine was, i would keep the **** as is and buy a eg and drop an h22 and do some real camaro ss slapping.

That is just me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Heh heh, that's the plan if anything ever happens to the 'Lude and the body or chassis is damaged beyond repair. Also, any future Honda I buy is getting painted Electron Blue. I saw a HB painted Electron Blue a few weeks ago, looked really nice.
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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dude, i'd honestly save the car as is, a classic and buy a eg shell and do what i told you to, buy a jdm h22 and do some burnouts.

Keep the lude for the bishes!!!

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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 09:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by naujcdl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude, i'd honestly save the car as is, a classic and buy a eg shell and do what i told you to, buy a jdm h22 and do some burnouts.

Keep the lude for the bishes!!!

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That was the original plan, actually. Work hard for two or three years, buy an old HB, and drop in an H22. I don't know, maybe I should stick to that plan. You see, I plan on going to Austin in two or three years, and I don't want to take the Prelude with me; I want to leave it at home to drive when I'm in town.

In all honesty, I'm probably still angry about the results at the drags, and that's why I'm wanting stupid-high HP and blazing ET's.

I should probably sleep on this for a few more days, before I start to think Jackson Racing's advice of buying an aftermarket torque converter is a great idea.

Just out of curiosity, how do those 1,000 auto Supra's do it? What's so special about their tranny's? Not trying to make a comparison, just asking.

Oh, and about saving the car for the "bishes," the car alone doesn't get chicks.
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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throw on some euros then you can get some bishes
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 09:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Panda-san &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Just out of curiosity, how do those 1,000 auto Supra's do it? What's so special about their tranny's? Not trying to make a comparison, just asking.
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built transmission.

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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 01:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by del_parker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

built transmission.

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Could you elaborate on that, please?
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:22 PM
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Wow complex posting.

First off, the RSX-S tranny will not work with the H22A at all unless you're rich and want to squander away much $$$$ to try to make it work. A 5spd will be fine for the application. In fact since you want to reach 300+ hp, boosting will be better with a lesser speed tranny because you will be able to keep in boost longer without constant shifting because of the shortness. You can probably get a new tranny from Honda, but you'll get raped for the price of it.

If you're really into dragging and you want to keep your current car, I suggest you get a used tranny and then swapping it out. The auto will not handle the stress of a turbo very well, however, many have used JRSC with their autos will great result. But, it is better to be safe than sorry. The 5spd is just stronger for higher HP applications than the SS will ever be.

But stated above, an EG or EK with either the new K-series or a boosted H-series will suffice to give you a great track time. It is a very costly venture to produce good numbers and maintain a nice car at the same time.

The Supra trannies were built for boost. The TT Supras alone produced 330hp at the crank, therefore, their trannies were pretty beefed up to begin with. New gears and a better torque converter and you got a pretty nice power handling capability. The only 1000hp supras, I have seen have been MT supras, where did you see a 1000whp AT supra?
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Old Jun 5, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow complex posting.

First off, the RSX-S tranny will not work with the H22A at all unless you're rich and want to squander away much $$$$ to try to make it work. A 5spd will be fine for the application. In fact since you want to reach 300+ hp, boosting will be better with a lesser speed tranny because you will be able to keep in boost longer without constant shifting because of the shortness. You can probably get a new tranny from Honda, but you'll get raped for the price of it.

If you're really into dragging and you want to keep your current car, I suggest you get a used tranny and then swapping it out. The auto will not handle the stress of a turbo very well, however, many have used JRSC with their autos will great result. But, it is better to be safe than sorry. The 5spd is just stronger for higher HP applications than the SS will ever be.

But stated above, an EG or EK with either the new K-series or a boosted H-series will suffice to give you a great track time. It is a very costly venture to produce good numbers and maintain a nice car at the same time.

The Supra trannies were built for boost. The TT Supras alone produced 330hp at the crank, therefore, their trannies were pretty beefed up to begin with. New gears and a better torque converter and you got a pretty nice power handling capability. The only 1000hp supras, I have seen have been MT supras, where did you see a 1000whp AT supra?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see. So would a 5-speed from a base Prelude be a good choice, or is there another 5-speed I should be looking at?

I've personally never SEEn a 1,000whp AT Supra, but I remember reading abou some sort of Supra convention in SCC, and I believe they said there were more than a few of them. Personally though, I don't think I've ever even seen a Supra in person.

So the AT Supra's have better torque converters and stronger gears that are built for boost? I see. Is there a way to strengthen the SS tranny in a similiar fashion? The JR people recomended that I look into getting a JMO torque converter, would that be a good idea?

EDIT: I realize that I'm jumping all over the place asking about a 5-speed swap, and then asking about strengthening the SS, but I'm just trying to explore all of the options.
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Old Jun 5, 2004 | 05:40 PM
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A 5spd from a base would be a good choice for boosting, not as short gears as a 4th gen H22A tranny is. I suggest you put an LSD on the car if you do swap to a H22A tranny if you don't get a tranny with one already (Euro-R [very rare] or M2B4)

A better torque converter would be able to handle the extra power but eventually, it too will fail. Toyota did research on boosted applications with their AT tranny, therefore they were designed to have more tolerance than the general beefed up AT. To strengthen the SS tranny to this fashion would require tons of money and in the long run, not worth that much.

A MT has better control of the gears for better 1/4 mile times and you can launch better with a MT. ATs generally have a greater percent of drivetrain power loss also (more HP and torque lost at the wheels).
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