I have a 98 ITR ( just got it ). It was badly damaged in a car accident ( front and rear).
I bought it to take it apart but, after a close inspection i was able to recover it and put her back together. ( she looks great ,and is presently at the paint shop ). I have been doing some research and have a few questions usdm vrs jdm..
Can any one shed some light on these?
1st) in 98 i read that the jdm cars got 16" wheels and a larger tires,a taller final drive ratio,and larger brakes did the usdm also get the improvements?
2nd) Power steering, ac i thought this was a race car?
3rd) I also read that 98 got a tubular header instead of a cast iron exhaust?
4th) I also read that the intake and exhaust were hand ported on the early models and machine ported on the later ones, is this true?
The books i got all of this in formation from had to be translated in to English. Can any one reference me to a site that will help me figure out what was really done to my 98 or not done..
Thank you all for your time.
Rene Marin
# 0663

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 98 ITR ( just got it ). It was badly damaged in a car accident ( front and rear).
I bought it to take it apart but, after a close inspection i was able to recover it and put her back together. ( she looks great ,and is presently at the paint shop ). I have been doing some research and have a few questions usdm vrs jdm..
Can any one shed some light on these?
1st) in 98 i read that the jdm cars got 16" wheels and a larger tires,a taller final drive ratio,and larger brakes did the usdm also get the improvements?
2nd) Power steering, ac i thought this was a race car?
3rd) I also read that 98 got a tubular header instead of a cast iron exhaust?
4th) I also read that the intake and exhaust were hand ported on the early models and machine ported on the later ones, is this true?
The books i got all of this in formation from had to be translated in to English. Can any one reference me to a site that will help me figure out what was really done to my 98 or not done..
Thank you all for your time.
Rene Marin
# 0663
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1) No, 1998 usdm ITR= JDM CTR 15in wheels, 1996 spec JDM ITR 4.4 fd, 1998 spec JDM brakes

2) Power Steering yes, AC no in 1997, optional in 1998, standard 2000-01

3) tubular header "JDM 4-1" not available in USDM models

4) only the 1997 usdm ITR was hand ported


hth

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4) only the 1997 usdm ITR was hand ported</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you sure about that, When my Valve cover is off I can see that soneone had hand grinded some things inside...

Just asking and learning...

 

The porting will be in the intake and exhaust ports not under the valve cover. Darn i realy wanted the larger jdm brakes.. I fight brake issues with my track crx ( b16a1 all motor). After watching a jdm video they went in to depth on how the rotors went to 15" fronts and there for had to move to a 16" rim.. Some outfit called (Best Motoring) they were talking to the lead designer and a rep from Spoon as well. It had lots of track testing on street tires. Even more in car which war real impressive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Darn i realy wanted the larger jdm brakes..</TD></TR></TABLE>

USDM brakes are the same as the '98 spec JDM ITR brakes as previously mentioned, so they are as big as you get as far as integras are concerned.

 

I was under the impression that the ITR brake setup was that of the JDM CTR instead of the JDM ITR?

Ed

 

I think that the jdm ctr was a 4 lug set up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">USDM brakes are the same as the '98 spec JDM ITR brakes as previously mentioned, so they are as big as you get as far as integras are concerned.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you mean the 96-97 itr? because the 98 got all of the up grades. Brakes, header,16" wheels..? I guess i should not cry so much they are big dam brakes for a small car..


Modified by Rene M at 6:13 PM 6/4/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do you mean the 96-97 itr? because the 98 got all of the up grades. Brakes, header,16" wheels..? I guess i should not cry so much they are big dam brakes for a small car..</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

USDM brakes are the same as the '98 spec JDM ITR brakes as previously mentioned, so they are as big as you get as far as integras are concerned.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The size of the wheel has no change on the brake size...or am I misunderstanding you... '96-97 JDM ITR's came with GSR sized rotors/calipers and 4x114.3 lug pattern.

As far as I know, the JDM CTR, USDM ITR, and '98 spec JDM ITR all have the same 11.1" in front, 10.3" in rear. Calipers are all single piston, with 1" MC's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

4) only the 1997 usdm ITR was hand ported


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Seriously??? are u sure?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Are you sure about that, When my Valve cover is off I can see that soneone had hand grinded some things inside...

Just asking and learning...</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can see the intake ports by removing your valvecover?

 

i beg to differ, im positive 1998 is handported since i had to wait back order for my 1998 intake manifold to be manufactured, handported and shipped back to canada. plus it is the only hand made part of the car, i would go as far as to say 1999 canadians, 2000 and 2001 are all handported.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think that the jdm ctr was a 4 lug set up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope JDM 98+ ITR, JDM CTR, and USDM ITR are all the same brake wise except the JDM ITR has the 36mm spline compared to the 32mm in the CTR and USDM ITR. Other than that they are the same

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by $pecial K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Seriously??? are u sure?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats what i was reading, 96-97 were hand ported at the valve area only the 98 and up were ported by a machine roughly 90% up the runner to the intake and exhaust. Now these are JDM specs, i do not know about the usdm specs. The JDM type R engines were not built at Honda but at the Spoon location, each one was hand built with things like a digital depth mike on the main and rod bolts. They show a ITR engine being built while the CEO of Spoon describes in detail what and why they are doing it. The reason for the spoon involvement was after 6k the pressure o the rods increases to about 2 tons ( wow) and the rod stroke ratio starts to show how the 1.8 has a much better rod stroke ratio than the 1.6.
Now i read most of this in a forward from a friend in the UK, and i bought a video from Best Motoring (The Type R legend vol.01). So now i have two totally different sources telling me the same thing. If nothing else you need to see the video just for the tire to tire action with all of the world finest car's and they are not afraid to trade paint.
Now i have only owned my ITR for three weeks and most of that was getting her back together, so i an asking all of you is all this true? Any one have their head off and look at the ports?

 

These are the jdm spec's
96-97 98-2001
Rotor F 14" 15"
Rotor R 13" 14"
Final dr 4.40 4.785
stopping 270ft 230ft with out abs
tire 195/55/r15 215/45/r16

 

I do not know for sure either way, thats why i am asking. The video and book were talking about the head not the intake. As fas as i know they were not ported.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These are the jdm spec's
96-97 98-2001
Rotor F 14" 15"
Rotor R 13" 14"
Final dr 4.40 4.785
stopping 270ft 230ft with out abs
tire 195/55/r15 215/45/r16



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'96 spec JDM ITR, and all other integras: 10.3" F / 9.4" R
'98 spec JDM ITR, USDM ITR, JDM CTR, and all other country ITR's = 11.1" F / 10.3" R

I dont know where you have been getting a lot of your facts, but most of them are bogus. Especially the Honda sending parts to Spoon...Spoon has never been in contract with Honda. Mugen has been the only active aftermarket company in relation to Honda, mainly because it was formed by Honda's son.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These are the jdm spec's
96-97 98-2001
Rotor F 14" 15"
Rotor R 13" 14"
Final dr 4.40 4.785
stopping 270ft 230ft with out abs
tire 195/55/r15 215/45/r16



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I think something needs to be clarified on the brake specs. Japanese rate brakes as the smallest wheel size that will clear them. Thus, 15" brakes = requires a 15" wheel. It does NOT = 15" rotors which would be overkill for the ITR as most ITRs (a few exceptions I'm sure) will NEVER generate enough heat where you'd need that much mass to dissipate the heat from the pads and calipers.

BlueR was correct here:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
1) No, 1998 usdm ITR= JDM CTR 15in wheels, 1996 spec JDM ITR 4.4 fd, 1998 spec JDM brakes

2) Power Steering yes, AC no in 1997, optional in 1998, standard 2000-01

3) tubular header "JDM 4-1" not available in USDM models

4) only the 1997 usdm ITR was hand ported
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with the exception that AC was a dealer option in 1997 and 1998. Also on number 1. he should have stated that 4th and 5th gearset in the 98 spec ITR is different, we got the whole 96 spec setup as far as the transmission goes. Granted you didn't ask that question but it's a difference which is sorta what you asked..

 

Yeah the "14 15 in front rotors" are BS.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do you mean the 96-97 itr? because the 98 got all of the up grades. Brakes, header,16" wheels..? </TD></TR></TABLE>

They got 16"s, and the exhaust manifold changed, however the Japanese spec brakes were upgraded from the 4x114.3 to 5x11.3 and are the SAME SIZE as the US Spec ITRs for all years that they were available in the US.

97, 98, 00, 01 US Spec ITRs all had the 5x114.3

96, 97 Japanese spec ITRs had 4x114.3 and were the same size as the standard 3rd gen Integra brakes. In 98 They replaced the 4-lug brakes with the same sie 5x114.3 brakes that were found on all the US spec ITRs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

'96 spec JDM ITR, and all other integras: 10.3" F / 9.4" R
'98 spec JDM ITR, USDM ITR, JDM CTR, and all other country ITR's = 11.1" F / 10.3" R

I dont know where you have been getting a lot of your facts, but most of them are bogus. Especially the Honda sending parts to Spoon...Spoon has never been in contract with Honda. Mugen has been the only active aftermarket company in relation to Honda, mainly because it was formed by Honda's son.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct. And Spoon did sell shortblocks which were just balanced/blueprinted honda blocks. Spoon does NOT make the motors for Honda.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah the "14 15 in front rotors" are BS.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Technically, he was 100% accurate with that information. Just not the way we measure rotors...

edit: oh, and unlike Chris N Koala was successful in breaking a 3IAR!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AIM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Y2K GeeSeR: maybe we should stop burning threads that are somewhat useful?
cnicastr: lol
cnicastr: yea
cnicastr: you started it
Y2K GeeSeR: since some random mod deletes the whole thread..
cnicastr: you MADE me do it
Y2K GeeSeR: I did?
Y2K GeeSeR: LOL how?
cnicastr: i dunno
cnicastr: dont ask questions like that
Y2K GeeSeR: haha ok i'm going to delete my useless posts</TD></TR></TABLE>

ahh better with the useless posts deleted (well my useless posts, there are still some with misinformation in here.. cough BlueR 97 AC cough..


Modified by Dave-ROR at 6:17 PM 6/4/2004

 

Ahh here I can add some pertinent info:


Following are the specs for the "infamous" Spoon B series motor as queried by the masses.


Here are the details of the Spoon "engine" / longblock once again:

- it is a new 98 spec R longblock
- internal components are JDM OE Honda with the following exceptions
- it is fully balanced and blueprinted
- it uses the Spoon 2 piece headgasket for a compression ratio of 11.3:1
- it uses the Spoon oil pump which is stronger and more effective than the OE Honda one
- it should put out around 180hp at the wheel

what is 'balanced and blueprinted by Spoon'?
- all engine components are weighed to 0.01grams precision
- engine components such as pistons and rods are balanced, they all weigh within 0.01gram of each other
- Spoon is able to balance these components because they order/weigh/sort hundreds of pistons, rods, etc. from Honda and sort them into balanced sets
- bolts are torqued within 0.01N/M of Honda specs
- what does balancing and blueprinting do? it makes the engine run incredibly smooth, reduces power lost to inefficiency, power delivery is extremely smooth, power is higher across the entire rpm band compared to a Honda assembled engine, engine/throttle response is much better, the engine revs smoother/faster and is able to withstand high rpm better, engine life is improved considerably especially in race environments

why does Spoon offer this engine?
- Spoon's core philosophy is in balance: good power, good driving feel, and long life. this engine offers all
- circuit racing requirements differ from drag racing: an engine with the aforementioned characteristics is preferred in circuit racing over a high power, less reliable engine which might be favored in drag racing
- these engines are frequently bought by pro race teams competing according to FIA Group N regulations which require stock internal motors. hence they need an engine which has maximum effectiveness and efficiency using stock parts

who should consider a Spoon engine?
- pro/amateur racers requiring a motor in stock trim (FIA Group N)
- circuit racers/enthusiasts who want an optimized stock motor for circuit use
- people who want a new stock or reliable motor with decent power

who shouldn't consider a Spoon engine?
- drag racers
- people on tight budget or DIY
- people who want a high power setup, N/A or Turbo
- people who don't care about or aren't sensitive to subjective intangibles such as driving feel or engine response

what is the price of a Spoon engine or block?
- it is priced comparably to the price of a new b18c5 longblock/shortblock from Acura considering the work Spoon has put into it
- remember it is a NEW longblock/shortblock
- price fluctuates with supply and demand, although spoon engines aren't common here, remember that they are very common and popular in Japan and Asia
- expect price to increase over time as the supply of b18c components dwindles
- contact an authorized Spoon dealer such as IPS, R&D, A&J for a price quote

does/why doesn't Spoon offer a high power engine?
- again, Spoon's philosophy is balance. to Spoon, high power is only worthwhile if the engine can endure the stress of a 24 hour race. to Spoon, a street tuned engine needs to be comfortable and reliable while delivering improved power and driving feel
- Spoon has built and sold high power engines with 200+whp... high compression kits and stroker kits including a 2L kit for the 18C. However, the reliability and engine life of these engines still aren't good enough for Spoon's standards and hence Spoon does not offer them anymore
- Spoon doesn't drag race


Credit to Spikey from HT...


A.

 

Anton, Did that Spoon balance/blueprinted engine of a special engine code/designation?

 

Well I dont know how they do it in boofooville, but out here when someone says "15in brakes" it means the damn rotor is "15 inches".

And just because you've never put a pancake on a bunny's head doesnt mean you know what I'm talking about.