Given equal drivers, and mild modifications on the civic (coilovers, swaybars, and a good alignment), how does it compare to a stock porsche (993 or 996)?

http://www.flat-6.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8298

 

IMO people like that don't belong on the track. It should never be about what car is faster rather then who drives their car better. The sooner you stop looking at the badge on the hood the sooner you become a better driver.

 

methinks there's enough stupid **** on this website that we don't have to link to stupid **** on other websites.

$0.02

 

I guess i'll be the first to answer...


I have my money on the "rice", why? Cause the cocky a-hole in the porsche probably lacks the skill. Plus, he thinks rice = light cars.

 

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http://www.flat-6.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8298

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who cares the guy is obviously biased and opinionated. What will arguing over the internet actually get you??

 

you all are elitist snobs, he came here for help, we all know everything about racing because we like race hardcore and **** on track and around cones so we're all suspension gurus, in fact thats all we talk about in here. and all you guys are saying how stupid this thread is and giving him dumb advice on having the right perspective. the least we could do is start some inter forum flame war for the poor guy.

 

I imagine that with equal robots driving, the Porsche would win.

 

"Given equal drivers" then probably the Porsche on the mild mods scenario on the Honda. Stripped out with a good motor, mods then well it has a better chance against the stock Porsche. But then drivers are never "equal" are they?
Barry H.

 

The guy is obviously an idiot, so just ignore the rant. Has anyone here driven both a porsche and a honda at the track? I am not talking about driving at 10/10, maybe 7/10. How do the 2 cars compare?

 

damnit, that was a complete waste of a link. I want my 30 seconds back.

 

fwiw, I am not trying to start a multi-site flame war. I own turbo 92 EG with a built motor, it is extremely fast in a straight line, but when I auto-x with it, it sucked...(okay, *I* suck, but the car didn't handle well at all).

Anyway, I also have a 993TT its not stock, and haven't driven it on the track or taking it auto-xing. I like the way the porsche handles, lots of feedback, and drives like a RWD car.

Am I foolish to think that I can make the EG handle close to the porsche?

Spare me the DE speech, I am already planning on it

 

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The point is, who cares? If a guy wants to say Porsche is better than Civic then fine. What's the point in arguing? Porsche's are better than Civics in every way. I would trade my Civic in a heartbeat for a 911. Can a Civic be faster than a Porsche? Sure. Does anyone really care?

 

Pointless comparison unless someone can remind me where any Civic and any Porsche race in the same class. RSX vs. Boxter in GA Cup, maybe and that's a stretch...

Ginger or Maryanne?

Depends what your doing...

K

 

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Different animal.

I race my CRX cause it's cheap and gets me racing for little money.

If i had the money, i'd race a Porsche. But, i hate high repair costs.

Will a CRX/Civic be as fast as a Porsche? yes. a modified CRX/Civic can beat a stock porsche, with equal drivers...and the civic will be cheaper.

But, since cost is a realistic factor.. not everyone can afford a 993TT. A LOT of people can afford to own, race, and modify a Civic.


Bottomline, a civic can be made to beat a porsche. stock for stock...it's rare, but has happened.

 

how does it compare to a stock porsche (993 or 996)?

It doesn't. The Porsche is a better car in every way.

 

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Yes. Because its not a porche.

RJ - who rode in a GT3 Cup car today, and there's no way a civic will ever handle anything like that.

 

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Ginger or Maryanne?

Depends what your doing...

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Priceless!!!!
If its okay, I may have to quote you on that one...

 

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Underpowered and cheaper to fix.

 

What IS "handling" anyway? How well a car feels going through a turn? How fast does it go around a turn?

I guess it can be said that autocross is the ultimate test of "handling". That said, John Thomas has been smoking Porsches and Vettes and whatever else for a decade in a 140hp 86 Civic, solid axle and all. Does it "handle" better than a 911, 993, 996, 944T, whatever...? Hell no. Can it corner faster? It must, cuz i'm sure our buddy John aint making up any ground down the straights with his power level, and still be 10+ seconds ahead after 100 seconds of racing.

Simple physics here. Whatever disadvantages a FWD car with primitive suspension design may have, having to haul 2,000lbs less mass makes up for it many times over, at least in raw cornering speed.

But yes, a rwd or awd Porsche will allways "handle" better.

And yes the above linked thread is stupid.

my own .03CDN

 

Did anyone notice that the grammar/spelling in that flat-6 thread is ATROCIOUS?!

Gad, if one is going to try to make a point, don't look retarded while doing so.

That said, OF COURSE a built, sorted-out Civic (EG-EK/built B18C5/big-buck suspension/gummy tires/corner weighted) could outrun a STOCK NA Porsche on a road course. However, the Porsche won't be working as hard and the driver will be in the lap of luxury. Porsche's racing R&D is downright mythic.

Apples and oranges pitting a race/near-race car against a stock car.

 

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Aint no way in hell any civic is running down a 993 or 996. Just aint gonna ****** happen.

 

Read closer RJ.
He's talking about something like a fully built H1 race car vs. a completely stock porchy.

Yeah... Thats a race. But as mentioned, its not apples to apples.

In all honesty, its not something thats even a close enough comparison to argue about.

Scott, who's a Maryanne guy.

 

A built Civic, like the one I'm starting (B18C5, Coilovers, Brake upgrades, gummy rubber, like the hypothetical one described above) would certainly be a match for a stock 993 or 996 (especially a 993, with its tall front US Spec ride height). It would corner harder (a bit more lateral G), be easier to adjust attitude-wise through corners, wouldn't eat tires, etc. Clearly, the Porsche would have a big torque advantage on corner exit and down the straights. That being said, I've ridden in very fast cars with very good drivers and spec Miatas seem to pass just about everybody.


Juice that Porsche up with adjustable suspension though, and all bets are off.

Cheers,
-Mirror


Modified by TheMirror at 7:31 AM 6/4/2004

 

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Still aint no race

 

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I think this would be the right perspective as they wouldn't even be classed the same.

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It's beyond comparing apples and oranges. It's more like comparing an egg to an elephant. IMHO, dollar for dollar, the Civic makes much more sense and is a much better autox car (remember - dollar for dollar).

Oh, and the guy that started the thread in that link just seems to be against "RICE" alltogether.