Im trying to decide what motor to buy I have done many b series swaps into civics but never an h swap I really like the specs on the h series motors but it seems everybody has a lot of trouble with that swap from reading the posts here just wanted some other opinons on the swap is the time and effort put into installing a h motor worth it?

Thanks

 

just an opinion but for reliable good power go b series

 

how is a b series more reliable than an h series

thanks

 

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They aren't necessarily more reliable than any other honda motor. The problems come in b/c we are switching to a completely different platform of a motor and all the supporting parts and accessories.

I'd say it's tougher than doing a b18c5 swap, but i think i personally would have more respect for a well built h22 than a c5. Simply b/c it is a tougher platform and there is not nearly 1/10 the support for the h22 as there is for even the lowliest b-series motor.

 

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I'd say it's tougher than doing a b18c5 swap, but i think i personally would have more respect for a well built h22 than a c5. Simply b/c it is a tougher platform and there is not nearly 1/10 the support for the h22 as there is for even the lowliest b-series motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Quit your crying, B-series &gt; H-series

I have respect for anything fast, reguardless of what it is powered by. It is your car and it is what you want to do. We can only tell you the pros and cons.

 

I would go B Series also. Just an opinion. Not such of a hassle.

 

H series owns. People think its so much trouble but ive seen/talked to/ been with people with their h22's and they say it wasnt that hard and isnt much heavier than the c5. Go with the h22, once you get it in and running you will realize you have picked a great motor.

 

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Quit your crying, B-series &gt; H-series

I have respect for anything fast, reguardless of what it is powered by. It is your car and it is what you want to do. We can only tell you the pros and cons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

STFU, you ricer. Don't make me rip a neon off your S-10 and plug up your bumble bee exhaust with it.

 

Yeah all I was looking for where pros and cons Im really leaning toward the h swap just because Im sick of seeing all these b swaps I had an ls turbo in my car orignally but I blew that up and I like working on the car almost as much as driving it and I can do a b swap in my sleep

Plus my friend said that I couldnt autox with the h swap so I kinda want to prove him wrong

Thanks for all the imput

 

h series motors are heavier
b series motors are lighter

220 hp in the h22
195 hp in the c5

h series has tons of torque
b series has less torque

h series less common swap = less aftermarket parts
b series most common swap = endless options


i personally would do b series, i had a friend with an h22 in his del sol and broke axles on a weekly basis, they were custom made he paid about 180 a piece for them.

 

Alot depends on the car with which you are working. If the car is an ED/EF, the H-series is going to be q difficult swap. Specifically, there is no mount kit available. We are talking cut and weld here. For this reason, I would stay away from H-series swaps on an ED/EF. Unless, of course, you are an accomplished welder. Or you know one.

For newer Civics (EG and EK), mount kits are available for H-series swaps. This makes them considerably more attractive. In fact, given the lower cost of H-series motors (an H22A swap is as cheap as a 2G B16A swap!), the power, the torque, and the potential for more, I would definitely go H-series if I had an EG or EK.

For a 1994+ Integra, an H-series swap is definitely the way to go. Although a GSR is not exactly slow, the heavier Integra can really benefit from the torque of a bigger motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2thousandcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h series motors are heavier
b series motors are lighter

220 hp in the h22
195 hp in the c5

h series has tons of torque
b series has less torque

h series less common swap = less aftermarket parts
b series most common swap = endless options


i personally would do b series, i had a friend with an h22 in his del sol and broke axles on a weekly basis, they were custom made he paid about 180 a piece for them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The h22 is 50 pounds heavier than the c5. The b series has about 10,000 parts and the h series would have around 6,000. H series is way better IMO

 

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The h22 is 50 pounds heavier than the c5. The b series has about 10,000 parts and the h series would have around 6,000. H series is way better IMO </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha

*civic_hatchback cheering* "H-series is are man, If he cant do it, no one can" */civic_hatchback cheering*

 

i'm going h22a later......and only the type s/spec s h22a has 220hp...few others with similar hp (h22a7 has 217, etc) but most are 200hp......and the h series is as reliable as anything honda has put out....don't go cheap on the axles (get some custom axles) and you'll be fine......go with a chipped p28 and ditch the knock sensor/egr valve/iab setup and you'll simplify the wiring a lot too......


on my h22a accord that ecu setup was much better than the p13........i'm just not a fan of a knock sensor that only works at a certain rpm range, is known to act up without throwing a code, and is really unnecessary......you can also buy p28's that will control the IAB setup too if you want, but i didn't notice a difference in my 1/4 times or hp when i hooked the vacuum line up straight to the manifold....just opens a bit earlier.....still ran a mid 14 in a 3000lb, loaded accord with just a few basic mods.....

 

Go with the H series you wont be dissapointed.

I have a H22A in my del sol, and its a monster.
And it was NOT hard to put together the only problem i had was with the ECU set up. But thats expected i guess since this is my first honda/motor swap project.
Go H.

 

I had a hard time deciding too but I just wanted to do a swap that not EVERYONE has. Yes there are endless options with ease if you go b-series but I wanted to try something new. I went with a jdm h22a in my ek. So far the bottom end is completly built and should be in this week sometime. I wish you the best of luck! Yes it is a little harder but you should go for it!

 

Personally I've had both and I dont think I'd do it again. I hate the fact that I had to cut a whole in my car to put on the shifter. I'm really weird bout my car when it comes to cutting stuff out and drilling holes. Stock for stock I'd have say the h22 owns. But when it comes to making power they can make just about the same. Also I cant stand the h22 shifter haha.

 

no they can't, you'll get more from the bigger motor if you have the money for it......most don't, so that never comes into play, but the original characteristics of the motor will always be there......one has a decently flat curve, the other makes real power only at higher rpm

 

h22 My buddy had a b16 in his EK bone stock, and when I was all motor h22 in my eg, the difference in the cars was night and day. We would switch cars for like 10 min and when I would drive his car it felt really slow. When I would get back into mine it felt way more powerful and he said the same. The torque is hard to compete with.

 

H22. I love my engine even though it isn't in a hybrid.

 

i dunno..... as far as im concerned... ill give the h22 anyday over the b18.

h22 all the way.

anything u can do to a gsr motor u can do to an h22.

they all say there is alot more aftermarket parts for the gsr than the h22... like what i ask? i never see a part on a gsr that is not available for the h22...

anyway.. the bigger the better.. i mean... look at stephan papadakis. h22.

all the other guys got b18's. who's faster. the other guys or steph?

<U>STEPH</U>


they are both good motors... and each one can be reliable as the next... aaaand each one has it's own pros and cons, but no matter what u do to one, u can do to the other... which means.. that the H will always be at least .4 liters bigger B, which inturn creates more power for the H.

to the H

 

The H is a great motor, but the swap does have its dissadvantages. The primary ones being weight and axle angles. The extreme axle angles produced by most H swaps result in bad gas mileage and brittle axles.

This may not be an issue for you if it won't be your daily driver and you don't plan on making big power, though.

If you want the FULL skinny, pm or email brian g.

 

Depends on what you want, gotta weigh the pros and cons, H22A has more HP and way better torque, it's also more work to swap and more parts would be needed. Good points listed above about axles and weight though. Consider budget, expectations and how much you know about swaps/hybrids before deciding ...

 

OK lets clear this up for you.

H Series have tons of aftermarket parts, i dont know what you people are talking about.

H series only weighs maybe 50 LBS TOPS more than a b18.

The fact that you have to find motor mounts, and most people go through axles like a mad man is the only problem. You can autoX in a hatch with an h22 just make sure you got good suspension, and evenly distribute the weight, and your good to go.

Its true there are alot more parts for a B series, but if you look around there are just as many parts for an H.

Good luck with your decision, oh and save the extra cash and dont go for a h22 type S. If you plan on building it you will un-type S it anyway.

 

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HOW? i have never heard this once in my entire life...