what do you think is better ????

 

Comptech SC all the way.

 

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agreed

 

definately

 

what kinda power gains have been seen from the comptech sc?

 

how are you going to drive the car? stoplight to stoplight? track? garage?

 

Vortech Supercharger is the way to go on S2's!!!

UnlimitedEK9

 

Why dont i hear any replies from the Turbo guys?

Edit: But i think i would like the Vortech SC much better, isn't that one of the only sc that can use a BOV? Please correct me if im wrong.

 

Turbo all the way. It takes alot more to get a turbo setup going, but it is definently the way to go.

A decent turbo setup, aem, injectors etc is the way to go, but is also more costly.

I used to have the AEM on my del sol, but it was a bunk unit (faulty EPROM chip) and turned into major problems, so I sold it for a hondata. I had Jason aka st00pid make a trip down here to tune the hondata, which was the best modification/$$ spent ever! The car drove like a stock car...it was awesome. 11psi on a stock b16a3 del sol vtec motor w/ 100k miles never felt better.

Now, on my teg I still run the AEM and it has worked out decently, but I still need to get some fine tuning done.

On another note, I am not afraid of boosting high compression motors, but the tuning is key to longevity of the engine.

If anyone has any specific questions on tuning, the moderator MASE can more than give you advice, and he loves the AEM ems.

Either way boost is awesome, but I would never in my life go supercharger when I could go turbo.

 

turbo &gt; supercharger

 

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I'm liking turbo more and more. $$ is kinda high, but a 500hp S2K???

 

I wanted to hook up turbo for my car and have talked to Anthony from Sparkyracing.com. He had quoted $4,250 head gasket included. What do you think?

Check my car out on importmonkey.com and give me feedback.

 

It really depends on what you want to do with the car. A turbo is going to give you more overall power, but it is going to change the driving characteristics of the car like no other. A proper super charger will make good amounts of power all the way up with out the lag of a turbo, and will retain some of the driving characteristics of the car. Personally I like the super charger forced induction much more than the turbo forced induction, as there is more "usable" power. Large horse power numbers are fun to have or brag about sure, but there gets to be a point where it is useless on the street. I say screw a turbo'd dyno queen and get a sweet super charger set up like the comptech.

 

Huh? in a car that revs to 9K you are calling it a dyno queen when turboed? You should talk with Geoff at full race and see the 510rwhp S2K they built. A supercharger adds more draw from your engine and is really less efficient. You put more drag on the engine with the extra pulley where as with a turbo you don't add any extra drag just more punch. The SC'd S2ks are great cars and have a lot of power, but are not quite up to par with the turboed cars.

 

Yeah get the Comptech SC if you like the cookie cutter car. I'm tired of everything saying Comptech SC like it's the next best thing since sliced bread. Go turbo and get it tuned; you won't regret it.

 

Are internet car forums a magnet for ricers?

Tell me of 1 turboed S2000 you guys know of that runs faster lap times than a Comptech SCed S2000.

You can't name one because any fast driver knows it's not reliable.

Ricers love dyno plots.

 

i say go for what u can afford...a properly built turbo is a hella amount of money...if going TC i would def get the short block sleeved and built....not sure if this required when using the comptech or vortech SC...also aem ems is a must!!!


think about this ( i think that the SC is about half the price) both are good IMO

aem ems = 1200-1500 + uego + a tuner
good turbo setup = 4500 - 7000
built block = 2k or more
install cost and time = ???????
misch **** im fogetting = 2k or more

 

I have one of the longest running (#2 or #3) supercharged S2000 in North America. I suggest that you consider keeping it NA and learning how to drive the *** off of it that way.

If you must go FI, go Turbo. It's more expensive. It's harder to tune. It's harder to keep tuned. But, the performance on the street and on the track is soooooo much better.

 

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Tell me of 1 turboed S2000 you guys know of that runs faster lap times than a Comptech SCed S2000.

You can't name one because any fast driver knows it's not reliable.

Ricers love dyno plots.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You my friend are misinformed. A turbo setup is just as reliable as a supercharger it just takes more skill to make it that way. I also find that fast drivers are often not the best mechanics therefore wouldn't know a whole lot about reliability. That's why race teams have crews of mechanics to decide for them instead of leaving it up to the "fast driver".

 

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Tell me of 1 turboed S2000 you guys know of that runs faster lap times than a Comptech SCed S2000.

You can't name one because any fast driver knows it's not reliable.

Ricers love dyno plots.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How does wanting to see dyno plots make someone a ricer? Go back to clubsi or s2ki or whatever rock you crawled out from under.

If it is put together properly then a turbo'd s2k has more potential than an SC'd. For daily driving on a stock motor I would go SC. If I was a track junkie and had money to blow on building a motor I would go turbo. It all depends on what you want to do, autocrossing an SC will be better because you don't have to wait for the turbo to spool up. For dragging the turbo would be better because it has better max power.

 

Just a word about my experience with building the S2000 motor (F20C). I've done two bottom ends and some head work at this point.

Unless you intend to push the boost past, say, 8-9 psi, there's no need to do any extensive building to this motor. The stock pistons and rods are more than adequate to handle this. The rings could be a little more robust but if you tune it well and avoid any significant detonation, they'll last forever too.

You may want to replace the springs on the head and do a little flow work but it's really supurb in stock configuration too.

The machine shop where I take my bottom end to rebuild when I'v broken it on the track (my fault too) was amazed at how good the OEM components were. This shop rebuilds vintage racing and road racing motors from all over the world and they told me that there was no good reason to go to aftermarket parts unless I wanted to bore it and sleeve it. Then, I had no choice but to use aftermarket.

The AP1 will kick some serious butt on the track with a well cooled 9psi of turbo boost, track suspension, track rubber, front sway bar, rear spoiler (say, 40 kg of downforce at 100 mph), and a 4.44 or 4.57 final drive. That's all you really need to clock great lap times at any track. You can add a hardtop and pull the soft top off and do some other weight-savings stuff but it's good to go the way I described it.

 

typical internet ricer habit.... not one of u have yet to name 1 turboed car that runs faster lap times than an SCed car. why? cuz it's stupid. can't do it reliably. too much heat. blah blah

but i will step up. i can at least bring to your attention 1 SCed car. his name is dave kennedy. he's fast. he tracks his SCed car often. period. so my internet blabber is that no track dude uses a turboed AP1 because it just ain't reliable, too much money, too much wasted time. with all that money, hell, get a faster car from the factory period.

so why the hell would anyone spend tens of thousands of doll-hairs setting up a turbo system on a $30K car other than to get a rise out of JDM boy racers? no respected track fella does this because it's just a big freakin' waste which is a testament to the sage knowledge that going turbo on the s2000 is a lost cause when it comes to laying down the blazing lap times.

sure for commercial, dick measuring purposes a turbo sounds sexy. but for results, it's a huge disappointment.

 

DavePK (Dave Kennedy) would be fast driving a steam shovel.

So would Jason Saini. Ask DavePK about how fast Jason is. He'll tell you.

Jason does better lap times than I do in his King Motorsports B-Stock Champion car and he's naturally aspirated. On his first time ever at Road America he was turning low 2:40 laps.

That's the typical case of the driver, not the equipment. If he had a properly tuned turbo setup DavePK'd be grinning from ear to ear and having trouble with his zipper.

While you're at it, tell him that hecash sends his best regards. It's been a long time since we exchanged posts.

 

So where's this magical properly tuned turbo setup? Where's the real deal?

Fast guys naturally want to go faster, yet no one uses what you guys are so in love with. The T word.

 

"Build it, and they will come."