Well I have long waited for my swap and have been saving for the h22. I recently thought about it and thought for a little less money I could get a turbo kit and put out more power (to put it simply).

I guess my question is simply, I am looking for a turbo kit for my soon to be rebuilt f22a1. I have looked on ebay, looked at other websites and would like h-t's response.

I searched and really came up short. I for one will be the first to claim to know next to dick about snails. So if anyone could post links, kits etc etc it would be much appreciated.

I know there is a reliability issue with turbo'ing a honda motor but I have seen some people in here and witnessed impressive results.

I know with the h22 the engine will be more reliable and somewhat "cheaper" comparatively.

What all would be needed for a turbo (gauges, fuel management, etc etc)
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Start building your own, thats what i'm doing. Find someone with reputable service installing turbos around you.

MY opinion, shared by many performance specialists (ha i learned it from them, who am i kidding)

Your'd want an Innovative, Precision, or Garrett turbo.

Then you'd want a good FMIC, preferably taller and wide (taller will reduce pressure drop)

If you cant find a manifold, I bet project dc2 will make you one, i'm gonna order mine from him (for an f23)

Depending on your boost, youll want to get bigger injectors (perhaps froma DSM)
If you want to save money, the BOV from a 1st gen DSM can support 17psi, and cost 1/3 the price of a Greddy type S.

Don't forget tuning...you'd want the VAFC hack, plus boost controllers and whatever.

 

You can buy a kit, i know revhard makes them and stuch...but with building your own you can choose the parts that you want for your setup...

 

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Which in your "opinion" would net better gains?

I would like a decent setup all the while not having to "piece" together something

And what kind of ecu would/should I be running

 

having turbo friends helps out alot:

VR, first off j00 need to do a compression test.....find out how much boost you can handle.....then you need to set your budget........

ur biggest issue might be choice of manifold: u can use a first gen DSM one, and then get the holes redrilled....&lt;= its a solid cast manifold, but ull have to run an internal wastegate....or you can buy a drag/greddy/etc... manifold and have an external wastegate.....or your could spend lots of money and get a custom log type manifold....($$$)

1st gen DSM turbo "system" practiclly bolts up to the f22a.......

even though im not a turbo expert by any means, feel free to IM w/ any questions (being that im ALWAYS on)

 

I think I will do my compression test this week (monday) and my budget would be around 1500-2000 dollars.

First off can I get decent equipment for that budget? I don't want to get it just "to get it" I want to get decent stuff and do it correct the first time

edit: I thought about going with a 1st gen DSM setup but the bad part is its not newer parts...does this really matter, I would think only the turbo would really matter how many miles are on it.

 

you could definitely piece together a nice turbo kit for around 2000...also, the h22 swap will cost more than 1500 - 2000....you want the h22 tranny if you get the h22 motor, trust me!...

the f22 turbo will be more fun i think...you will be able to have more power in the usable rpm range than with the h22 (where all the power resides uptop and honestly isn't much different than an f22 down low)...

as for your custom kit, just make sure you get the basic stuff first (even if you don't get it all at one time)...and oh yea, the t3/t04 isn't necessarily your best choice for a turbo...they are just mass produced and cheap for companies to put into their turbo kits, and that's typically why they are used...for an f22, though, i would choose a smaller turbo for both efficiency and lack of lag...that's just my .02 though...if i could do it all over again, i would have definitely turbo'd my f22...

 

What you CAN do, and i'd actually reccomend this, is that many companies (like revhard) can part out their turbo kits. You could buy everything from them that is NECESSARY and then put in your own parts to your taste.

MMMMM...

Watch out for cheap crappy turbos though...youre right. Innovative, Precision, and Garrett are the better brands, i've heard crap about turbonetics so theyre questionable. You'd probably want stage 3 if you are going to be driving it normally.

One guy here in the FI sponsor sheet has the exact turbo that I have in mind from innovative for 695, and if i say so that is quite a deal for the quality

 

ONE WORD FOR JOO

CUSTOM y0!

Hardware:

Exhaust gas manifold(lag style &lt; header style)
Downpipe
Intercooler piping
BOV
Wastegate(internal or external)
FPR with guage
Walbro high pressure fuel pump
INTERCOOLER(smic/fmic/water to air,etc)
Bypass valves
Turbo
turbo line(supply, dump)
oil pan tabs(for dumping the heated oil)
filter(always runs a filter)
mini me breather filter
Boost gauge
A/F meter(better than nothing)
EGT meter

management

FMU&lt;afc hack&lt;emagage&lt;aem&lt;hondata
extra injectors&lt;bigger higher flow injectors

optional stuff

turbo timer
boost controller(manual or electronic)
clutch and flywheel upgrade
syn. motor and drivetrain lube
Colder sparkplugs
upgraded coils

 

one advice for you, don't go cheap on the actual turbo, ghetto rag stuff works 99% just as well but old and cheap turbo is useless.

get something new because everyone selling a blew turbo will claim they just had some company over the internet rebuilt it and some how it's leaking again

AND BUY MY GOOD OLE' BOV

 

One of the most informative threads I have eVar read

 

yea...I vote someone takes that, maybe iam7head adds a bit to it...
STICKY IT IN BASIC GUIDE!

 

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not true! with mechanical knowledge, and friends of friends of friends of friends... you can get an h22a with h22a tranny installed for 1700... like me

EDIT: not to mention the perfect luck of EVERYTHING that is on the engine and in the engine is in perfect condition... nothing needing to be replaced... whew!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VRDrvr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I have long waited for my swap and have been saving for the h22. I recently thought about it and thought for a little less money I could get a turbo kit and put out more power (to put it simply).

I guess my question is simply, I am looking for a turbo kit for my soon to be rebuilt f22a1. I have looked on ebay, looked at other websites and would like h-t's response.

I searched and really came up short. I for one will be the first to claim to know next to dick about snails. So if anyone could post links, kits etc etc it would be much appreciated.

I know there is a reliability issue with turbo'ing a honda motor but I have seen some people in here and witnessed impressive results.

I know with the h22 the engine will be more reliable and somewhat "cheaper" comparatively.

What all would be needed for a turbo (gauges, fuel management, etc etc)
Let the schooling being
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i cant believe youre leaving me VR! noooooo! i dont blame you tho, if my engine was any better than it is, i would turbo in a heartbeat... my friend is a huge turbo freak... he just sold 2 turbos.... both in very good condition, too bad you didnt make this thread earlier, i woulda hooked you up.

 

however its a good that you want to turbo the f22a1 and it would be cheaper but the h22 yoiu can get more power out of that one if you turbo that. but if you are rebuilding the engine then your reliablity would be better than if you havnt rebuilt it. but i say go with the h22.

 

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buying an h22, rebuilding it for turbo capabilities, and then piecing together a turbo kit is kind of costly. and by "kind of" i really mean "goin bankrupt." turboing an f22 is not a bad idea at all... but i guess if you got 5-7 g's sittin around then no sense in not goin for an h22a turbo setup.

 

Yep that's exactly what I'm doing and $4800 into it, I still haven't bought the turbo kit yet. I almost wish I had just boosted my f22. Hindsight is 20/20

 

I'd say grab an H22.

From what I've read about people swapping them into 6th Gens, they have gotten the motor for about $1500 minus the tranny. Instead of getting an H22 tranny, get an H23. Gear ratios are pretty damn close, and you can get a good one for about $350. You'd be paying a lot more for the H22.

Whether you want a JDM motor, or not, that's up to you.

 

This thread AMAZES me.

This is like a question always asked and only the Noobs who start a thread like this get Flamed...HOW SAD. But to get to the point, i think turboing it would so much better. Although some argue H22 plus turbo, that thing wont last long unless u build internals and thats even more money down the road. You might as well turn it into a drag car by then.

Accordselux, where the hell do u find Revhard products for our Accords?? I've seen some kit online on other Accords and i contacted RevHard, they told me they make no parts for the Accord. Not even a custom manifold.

As far as parts goes, the 1g dsm would bolt up but why not step up to a better 2g or evo mani? I know those are common upgrades for 1g DSMs cuz i hear my cuz talk about it all the time. Parts really depend on how much of a "stunna" turbo kit u want really. You can build a junkyard kit or get a all "Stunna" kit, polished FMIC, HKS BOV, and all them other high priced stunna pieces. Junkyard pieces would mostly comprise of DSM parts cuz of compatability. IF you want a already assembled kit, theres a sponsor on here who sells some kits for cheap. I dont know if they are any good but the pricing is good. You can also get a Fmax kit or a Drag kit. Id much prefer Drag cuz of more power produced and they just simply look better.

For mani's i know of:
Drag
Fmax
SFP
maybe LoveFab
...theres a coupe more but i cant hink of them off hand.

I personally think the mani's are the hardest part in building your own kit, you have to find one or have someone build you one and they are expensive. But if you do get a DSM opt for a EVO mani. Im guessing if they can bolt onto a 1g DSM it should bolt up to ours with just the holes redrilled. THese are also Internal wastegated turbo's so when you buy a turbo, look for a internal wategate turbo so u can save some money. If you buy a external wastegate turbo, your gonna have to pick up a external wastegate and tap you mani for the wategate.

You'll then need a turbo, many use the DSM turbo cuz they are small and wont lag as much but the more popular kits come with t3/t4 turbos or somewhere in that family. I dont really know much about turbo themselves but had already comprised a list for my 4banger til i got my AV6.

Next would be your air/fuel management. You can use the AFC "hack" which many use and is some what good. Ive heard mixed thoughts on it but i was going to go down that path cuz i heard more good than bad. You can also use a FMU but same as the AFC "hack", i heard mixed things about it. Main reason i chose AFC "hack" was cuz imma ricer and like that display output.

After you get a management, you'll need some injectors. You can get DSm 390cc (off a auto turbo) or 440cc (off a manual turbo). Or you can just get new RC injectors. The main thing i hear about the "hack" is that it boggs in mid throttle and some blame the injectors, ive read that it could be the injectors and also found of one guy running RC injectors and no bog while another using DSM injectors and bogging. Im still lost about the whole bogging thing but i guess its up to your luck. Theres other fuel managments out there but those are more of the popular two. If you dont to that, i know that Fmax uses a extra injector in their kit. I dont know much about the extra injector way of turboing so im not even venturing into there. I would think its more complicated. Like i said though, i had already decided to go into the AFC "hack" method.

I think the most imortant part next is to get IC piping. Ive found that IC piping is NOT cheap. THem things are expensive if you want nice ones, like polished and stuff. But if your not into that i guess u can have any shop mandrel bend some for you. Im thinkin that owuld be some down time. Also if you custom everything, theres gonna be down time, unlike if u had a already assembled kit which u can throw on in a couple of hours to a few days depending on skill.

As far as accesories go, you'll need:

a BOV and a 1g DSM will do unless u wanna go stunna and gett he HKS SSQV. IT supposed to be one of the best but you wont need it cuz you wont be boosting to the limits where it is really a "must have" BOV. Greddy's is pretty good too, i nkow Apexi has one, Blitz, and TurboXS i believe.

a intercooler, you dont need a massive one if not boosting a lot. A dsm side mount will do since they are known to hold up to 20psi. A front mount is fine for the bling factor as well but they range from 200 up. For junkyard intercooler you can get a conquest(starion) FMIC or any off a Volvo or Saab turbo.

a boost controller would be cool to have but not needed. You can get a manual one or electronic one. They say the manual one does fine but ive also heard that they suck cuz can cause boost creep. With a boost controller you can raise or lower your amount of psi desired.

a turbo timer, again not needed but would be nice to have if your VERY lazy. All it simply does is let your car cool down, or acutally your turbo and oil. You can set a time for it to stay on after u take the key out or u can get the more expensive one made by (scratchin head???) and it automatically reads and calculates how much time is needed by how much u romped on it. Pretty cool but expensive. THere are many companies out there that combine the Turbo Timer and Boost controller into one unit.

and finally gauges. A boost gauge would be a necessity. A air/fuel gauge would be nice to have to but the autometer isnt that great. It only reads well at idle but when WOT its not accurate. I would much say your better off getting a EGT(Exhaust Gas Temperature, aka Pyrometer) gauge. What that does is measure how hot your exhaust gas is, the hotter it is the richer your car is burning. Much better than the A/F gauge. All the others are soley up to yu but i would say these are good basic gauges needed.

After you turbo and all, get that motha tuned. Thats gonna set ya back some. All in all though, it'll be fun and you'll learn a lot more than just doing a swap.

Sorry this post was long, i felt like being smart and shedding some light that H-T has taught me. I know my info isnt all that but i didnt sit here for hours on end just typing. Just sat down and this thread caught my interest. i know iam7head is better off doing this kinda type up but i wanted to SOUND smart!!! Whattya think guys. Am I worthy or no? Like i siad though, i know its not all accurate but its just what i sorta learned and picked up. I could elaborate more but im kinda lazy. I think this is enough elaboration for tonite.

I'll edit this more if its worthy info. (a lot more )

 

I forgot to tell you guys it will be going into a 90 accord. Thank you all so far for the input

As far as if a n00b posted this and would probably get flamed...I guess you guys know I am a regular in the forum and participate frequently, thus helping me out too (plus I know how to search ).

Does anyone have links for parts or kits? I hear lovefab or evo EM and I honestly don't know the first place to look for a good price .

And this thread will be updated with pics as the install goes down (2-3 months)

 

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not true! with mechanical knowledge, and friends of friends of friends of friends... you can get an h22a with h22a tranny installed for 1700... like me

EDIT: not to mention the perfect luck of EVERYTHING that is on the engine and in the engine is in perfect condition... nothing needing to be replaced... whew!</TD></TR></TABLE>

and how many of us have this kind of luck??? car **** always goes wrong for me though...

and if you are on that particular budget, you could always start with the dsm turbo kit idea and then build from there...it's always easier to upgrade after everything is complete...

 

lovefab is great but i would not bother to spend MAD HOLY cash on a tubular manifold when you only running with low boost.

IMHO

 

With the VAFC hack, the timing will be too advanced for turbo, many people retard the base timing a few degrees at the distributor. So you might want to do that if you're going with the VAFC hack.

 

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You can get a MSD BTM to help out.