Wassup guys, i'm just wondering how many people out there are running Toda B's or C's on their daily driven cars.

If you could just post your set up and just add a few comments why you went with either the B's or C's it would be helpful.

I've been searching and i haven't seen that many people running the C's in their daily driven cars because people claim they need alot more tuning than the B's. Is that true?

Any comments welcome.


Thanks

 

i drove my buddies, toda C equipped, itb equipped integra, and it idled like stock

 

Just finished dynoing mine. Partial throttle tuning takes a lot of patience. Otherwise thumps up.

 

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ITB's own

 

the b's and c's have the same size low lobes.

driven a few cars with b's, big pri and sec lobes make good midrange power. i have never seen an idle problem with these.

i run a toda b int and an itr exh cam, i went with the toda valvesprings. i have more faith in todas than any other. i run .5 oversize valves. for my setup the toda C int/exh combo is my #1 choice, but since im on a budget ima gonna run my toda b int and order up the comp cams stg 3's and run the exh and pawn off the int.

#1 reason i can think of is the track record, very few toda horror stories out there.

 

yeah i'm still weighing out my options, one of my friends ran toda b's in his all motor ek and hit a 13.1

still haven't really heard of any local's running c's though

im just wondering if i NEED to use the toda valvetrain package to run their cams

 

you just NEED, a valvetrain that can handle 12.5 mm of lift

 

I would personally not recommend doing Toda's at all. A speed shop in Portland by the name of Ground Zero has a gray ek with a b20 that ran 12.3's all motor with type r cams. They dropped Toda B's in and dyno tuned it and got a 12.90 out of it, they hated them. If you go to importreview.com, look at the power pages and dyno charts, Toda's don't hold there own at all...even dyno tuned. If you're gonna spend that kind of money, definetley do the Jun 3's. I've seen them perform, and they sound nasty as hell when tec hits, but idle like stock. You make the choice, good luck either way bro.....

 

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That's not right,.. bigger lobes will apply with the rules of science/physics/whatever, if tuned correctly=More power. Must have screwed up tunning, or did not have a clue how to.

 

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That's not right,.. bigger lobes will apply with the rules of science/physics/whatever. Must have screwed up tunning, or did not have a clue how to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

bigger lobes does not always mean more power. There are other things to cams that make them better than the other. ramp speed being one.

 

i can't really see how that's possible

 

shhh, you didn't hear it from me but i heard titan motorsports is having a huge cam test this weekend

 

I ran Toda C's on a JDM ITR motor with slightly bumped compresion. It idled fine once it warmed up. When it was cold it bumbled and stumbled a bit. Nothing that left foot braking could not solve. :-). Midrange power was fantastic. Top end very smooth. Pulled hard to 8750 rpms. When the car warmed up and reached operating temperature it idled solid @ 950-1050 rpms. I loved the cams. Enough lope that lets you know something is different but not lopey like a solid lifter domestic. If you can live with a hard to run cold motor then you will love these cams. Perhaps with Hondata it would be easier to get these cams to idle on a cold motor as well. I ran primarily on a Skunk2 ECU, VAFC, RC 310's, pressure @ 42-44psi static.

 

i was doing alittle reading on toda's site itself to see what they would say. And they said that with the B's and C's require valve springs and then their timing belt and cam gears and even toda pistons. Now that seems to be going overboard, but i was thinking i'd be fine with ferrea valves instead of the todas and just get the toda cam gears to match the cams.

Also i keep hearing, "go with the B's, their more practical for a daily set up." But i can get a decent deal on the C's. I'm going to be running them on a gsr bottom end with PR3 pistons and thin headgasket.

I heard the C's needed to be reved up high to produce some power, how high do they make their power and how high can my bottom end be revved to?

 

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let us know the result

 

anyone that says B's are more streetable than C's is a ****** retard
the low cam is exactly the same on the B's and C's

and yes, C's like lots of rpm, I think my friend has his set to swtich lobes at 6800 rpm

 

Toda 'C's in my daily driver. Toda pistons too. Idle was trickier than the Skunk 2 cams in the motor before. They like VTEC at about 7,100 and carry power to 9,000 rpm.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would personally not recommend doing Toda's at all. A speed shop in Portland by the name of Ground Zero has a gray ek with a b20 that ran 12.3's all motor with type r cams. They dropped Toda B's in and dyno tuned it and got a 12.90 out of it, they hated them. If you go to importreview.com, look at the power pages and dyno charts, Toda's don't hold there own at all...even dyno tuned. If you're gonna spend that kind of money, definetley do the Jun 3's. I've seen them perform, and they sound nasty as hell when tec hits, but idle like stock. You make the choice, good luck either way bro..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

A lot of people on H-T are saying that the jun cams are prone to breaking.

I know toda's cams for the K20 make great power. Over 230whp with i/h/e and their cam package(cams, valvsprings, ecu).

 

You would be fine with Ferrera valvetrain and Toda C's.

They do not need to be reved that high. They don not have much duration in comparison with the JUN or the Skunk cams and seem to kind of run out of steam above 8700 rpm on my motor. Perhaps my head wasn't flowing as much as other peoples heads on thier motors who ran c's. But it was an ITR head with a 3 angle cut so flow was not terrible. My crossover was @6600rpm. You don't even really hear the cross over. Kind of strange. But I would say with a regular check of your vavle lash this cam is more than streetable. In fact it makes street drving more of a pleasure with all of the midrange.

 

I've had my Toda C's for over 6 months now, daily driven and weekend AutoX. Getting it to idle was quite a problem before but after a few visits with my tuner...it finally settled @ 1050 rpm. No other complaints, Vtec is set at 6200 and power is felt til 9000 (redline), smooth transition perfect for cornering between vtec with no sudden surge of power.

 

My VTEC was @7300RPM. Peak power at 9300rpm. Would've been better but with low compression and **** gas. I'm satisfied with what I have.

I'll run it on the strip this weekend. I'll see how it runs on full interior and intermediates.

 

thanks for the replies, but it still doesn't answer my question to when the toda c's make their most power and how high i could rev a gsr bottom with pr3 pistons, i was going to set a redline at 9000 on a chipped p28

 

 

Toda's can make good power, but that 230 number is also out of a k series motor. The k series heads flow much better than a b series, so we aren't comparing apples to apples. Yes, I have also heard that the Jun cams are prone to breaking, but I have yet to see that happen. I know of 4 sets of cams that have been ran for over 3 years and have never had a problem. Just ask the one white eg guy from Washington thats an all motor drag car, I think it has a fiberglass front end and runs 12.0's with two seats in it.....that car runs strong! (powered by jun 3's )

 

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