i currently have a 22mm ITR rear swaybar on a 96 hatch. i would like a front swaybar but don't know if i should go with a 26mm SI swaybar or a 22mm EX swaybar.

which one would handle better?

 

what are your springs/shocks/tires/intended use?

I have a 22mm for use on the front of my ITR and love it... but it requires 'some' attention while on track.

 

i have H&R race springs with KYB shocks (will be getting teins in the future). currently have toyo 195/50/15 tires on ITR rims. but i'm getting azenis or something more stickier. just want it for street and strip use, sometimes autoX.

anymore input on this setup?

 

help...i'm either getting a 22mm front or 26mm front...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2 point 0 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just want it for street and strip use, sometimes autoX.?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the 26mm will be fine.

 

26 front and 22 rear....will that cause understeer or oversteer?

 

Not counting the springs, that will cause slight understeer. But not in a bad way if you understand how to balance a car. 26 front 22 rear adjustable would be good unless youre using Real Time spring rates.

I have a 24 front and a 22 rear adjustable set to the medium setting, which makes it maybe about the equivalent of 24. The car is pretty neutral if not a little loose. The springs are illumina RAK which are tipped a little toward oversteer compared to factory springs.

 

I run 21mm/22mm and my car is very nicely balanced....

 

22mm front & 22mm rear here. my car with that and your car with that will still be two completely different animals. spring rates, shock valving, tire pressure, alignment etc etc etc all affect the balance of a car.

but even with highly front biased springs, i'm able to promote a neutral condition if i tweak the other things i mentioned above. i'll be getting some new struts and real springs in the rear here within a week, to have a setup that will work better together.

it's hard to say an XXmm bar will be better than an XXmm bar for you, especially with the limited information you've given us.

swaybar tech: http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/swaybars.html

personally, i would opt for the 22mm bar: it should reduce body roll enough, and won't tend to produce as much understeer as the 26mm. but again, it's difficult to say which will actually be better for your case, as there's so many other variables and a huge gray area.

oh and this ...
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is a bad bad bad bad decision. pm me if you want me to explain a little bit. i'm tired of trying to tell people tein is absolute ****, and starting a debate with them who have no experience but know more than i do about them. but obviously green &gt; yellow so i dunno

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jwn7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">22mm front & 22mm rear here. my car with that and your car with that will still be two completely different animals. spring rates, shock valving, tire pressure, alignment etc etc etc all affect the balance of a car.

but even with highly front biased springs, i'm able to promote a neutral condition if i tweak the other things i mentioned above. i'll be getting some new struts and real springs in the rear here within a week, to have a setup that will work better together.

it's hard to say an XXmm bar will be better than an XXmm bar for you, especially with the limited information you've given us.

swaybar tech: http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/swaybars.html

personally, i would opt for the 22mm bar: it should reduce body roll enough, and won't tend to produce as much understeer as the 26mm. but again, it's difficult to say which will actually be better for your case, as there's so many other variables and a huge gray area.</TD></TR></TABLE>
then whats is a good way to determine what would be a good individual setup based on springs, shocks, tires and tire pressure?

 

research a lot, see what's working well for others, and try it out. then adjust as needed. repeat over and over.

myself or anyone else can't sit here and completely tweak your suspension over the internet. you need to get out there and do it yourself. personal preference comes into play, along with the 10000 other variables there in the first place.

 

do u recommend 26mm or 22mm front?

 

I would go 26mm up front. Especially if you have a manual rack car it will make the steering feel so much quicker and tighter. I ran a 26mm front and a 22mm rear with apexi ni 99 spec dampers, front and rear strut bars, lower tie bars etc and i loved it. It was pretty much neutral and went wherever i wanted it to go. Oh and this was on a 97 dx coupe with GSR motor.

 

edit: nm


Modified by Unjockable at 7:11 AM 5/28/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2 point 0 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">26 front and 22 rear....will that cause understeer or oversteer?</TD></TR></TABLE>

depends on your driving style. if you have a heavy foot then you will understeer.
if you know how to drive it will be very netural.

your spring rates will also determin how your car turns.

i have a 26 mm bar which i installed myself with some custom endlinks i made. my car has a better balance than my friends gsr with a 24 mm up front.

 

right now im running Tein HA's with 336 lb springs up front and 448 lbs springs out back. using the stock (92-95) civic si/ex front 21mm bar with a type R 22mm rear. car feels really balanced. i also have a gsr/itr 24mm front which im gonna try out again. might even upgrade the rear to a 23mm.

 

On thing that you might want to take into consideration is the endlinks on the 26/22 front bars. The endlinks with the 22mm ex front bar are a bolt with 4 rubber bushings that will wear out which will limit the effectiveness of your sway bar. The 26mm si front have a more traditional c-shape which should be better. Just another point to consider.

 

I have 22/22 and it seems to want to oversteer a bit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kommon_sense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On thing that you might want to take into consideration is the endlinks on the 26/22 front bars. The endlinks with the 22mm ex front bar are a bolt with 4 rubber bushings that will wear out which will limit the effectiveness of your sway bar. The 26mm si front have a more traditional c-shape which should be better. Just another point to consider.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have an EX, and I'm putting the comptech sway / tie combo on the rear. Should I replace the front with the Si bar, instead of just replacing the bushings? I know they're worn, and didn't realize the Si had better end links. Could the endlinks just be swapped?

 

I don't know. I have the same dilemna You can't use the SI end links. Both the lcas and sway bar ends are different between the ex and si. Those little bushings are like $5 each and you need 8 of them

 

i have the energy suspension sway bar bushings, and the 22mm ex bar does the job just fine for me. it wouldn't be worth it (for me at least) to upgrade it. the front is stiff enough, i need more in the rear. hell, i've often thought of disconnecting the front bar.

whether or not any of you guys would do better with the 26mm si bar is totally open.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kommon_sense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know. I have the same dilemna You can't use the SI end links. Both the lcas and sway bar ends are different between the ex and si. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats why you need to buy this https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=677413

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jwn7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have the energy suspension sway bar bushings, and the 22mm ex bar does the job just fine for me. it wouldn't be worth it (for me at least) to upgrade it. the front is stiff enough, i need more in the rear. hell, i've often thought of disconnecting the front bar.

whether or not any of you guys would do better with the 26mm si bar is totally open.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't the ES bushings squeak and bind though? That's what I've heard for the rear...

 

I had an ITR rear bar alone with no front bar, and the car was wild. I installed an 26mm Si front bar last weekend, and now the car is much safer and more predictable. I can dive into a corner w/o sweating right through my shirt

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EX_AutoXer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't the ES bushings squeak and bind though? That's what I've heard for the rear...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not at all, I'm running es sway bar bushings front and rear. A sway bar bushing won't really squeak or bind. Control arm bushings are a completely different story.