For all those civic's running 22mm bars with like 500lb/in rear springs rates. What is the point if you inside rear is always lifting?? I mean that maxes out your rear bar anyway and it does nothing at that point.

The only reason i can seethe car working is when you put the power down on a sweeper curve.

Tho if you have a front bar would you not help keep the *** down.????

3 wheeling is ok to get the rotation i woul imagine but i don't use a 22mm and i still lift the inside like a ****.

 

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look at stock class cars, they lift inside rear wheels all the time. i do;t think it is possible to corner fast/tight without lifting a rear wheel, as that is just the way our fwd hondas are designed.
go with what swaybar you like the best. what works for me, may not necessarily work for you. for instance, the sway bars on solo-x's civic and the bars on my civic are radically different. good luck.

 

I'm running the 22mm rear bar, and 630 lb springs, and I do not EVER lift the inside rear.

 

If you're lifting the rear tire all the time, you're having a lot of body roll.

When my shock settings were all fubar, I was lifting the rear around almost every turn. Fixed that and it only lifts are very tight/sudden turns.

I'm running stock length Konis, 380/450s, 21 front, 22 comptech rear.

 

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i have a 22mm rear bar with similiar rates in the back and i lift the rear wheel pulling into my driveway.....

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i have been told by many my car corners flat, yet i will carry the wheel for 50 feet or more. again, you cannot use this as a guage. as i see it, lifting a wheel is really no big deal.

 

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I don't think this is true. I know plenty of cars with VERY little body roll that lift the rear tire pretty often. Solo-x on this board is a good example. I have the same size sway bars as you but with stiffer front springs, and my wheel lifts pretty often too.

Wouldn't rear suspension droop travel have a lot to do with this?

 

rodney-do u even have the bar connected?

i run 6k (338ftlb) in the rear with a 22mm bar and i only lift the wheel going into driveways. there are too many other variables to consider. droop travel, weight ballance, tire choice, ect
-spenc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tunes12 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think this is true. I know plenty of cars with VERY little body roll that lift the rear tire pretty often. Solo-x on this board is a good example. I have the same size sway bars as you but with stiffer front springs, and my wheel lifts pretty often too.

Wouldn't rear suspension droop travel have a lot to do with this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess I was more going by my experience in my car, because I switched over to r-compounds and had *excessive* body roll because of the new-found grip and was lifting the rear WAY too much, which was making the car really twitchy/unstable. I normally don't see a problem lifting leg, but it made my car a real pain in the *** to drive.

And yeah, since I run a 22mm rear sway and my Konis are the Neuspeed versions with the 20mm shorter shafts, I don't have much droop back there.

 

since my car has been mentioned in this thread i figured i would post.

the above is with 700/800 for springs and 24/23 for swaybars. running azenis, shortened front shocks, and the surface was the bumpy/oily/sandy/crappy VMP lot at the '03 petersburg pro.

nate

 

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i have been told by many my car corners flat, yet i will carry the wheel for 50 feet or more. again, you cannot use this as a guage. as i see it, lifting a wheel is really no big deal.

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Honestly since i have the new springs (400F / 500R) and only 19mm i know i lift cause i can feel it, but to what degree i have to wait till i get the photos back.

What is your set up Rodny?

 

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What is your set up Rodny?</TD></TR></TABLE>

12k (672lb) front springs, 10k (560lb) rear springs
stock 21mm front swaybar, 22mm rear swaybar

nothing exotic

 

What shocks are you running?

 

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Racing Gear coilovers



you can get them here. mine are at the bottom of the page. not for the faint of heart.....
http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/other...shtml

 

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12k (672lb) front springs, 10k (560lb) rear springs
stock 21mm front swaybar, 22mm rear swaybar

nothing exotic </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ever try with just the rear bar?

I would assume the front bar reduces your weight transfer which reduces the lift....and help turn in, but also adds understeer..

I do not have one as of yet....so i have to see what will happen.

 

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you can get them here. mine are at the bottom of the page. not for the faint of heart.....
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Not for the faint of wallet, either.

I'll be sticking to Konis for now, lol.

 

rodney needs a bigger front bar on his car. for a number of reasons. someday i might convince him, but i'm not holding my breath.

in the picture i posted my car is rolling too much. it rolls less this year. it's also lower. it's also looser.

nate

 

quit making soo many changes nate!

actually, what is kinda funny, you're car rolls maybe 1-2* less than my car, and i have soft springs compared to what you run.

nate, will you be at the peru pro?

 

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actually, what is kinda funny, you're car rolls maybe 1-2* less than my car, and i have soft springs compared to what you run.

nate, will you be at the peru pro?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep, scheduled for peru. provided i still have money by then i should be there. hey, that reminds me. are you still planning on driving the beast at DC?

nate

 

im running a 22mm rear bar and 450 spring rate and my wheel picks up sometimes. the purpose of the rear bar is to mearly help the car rotate. and turn better. with out rotate the car will just take out some cones.

 

This is my car this past weekend.


Modified by B HATCH at 10:44 PM 5/19/2004

 

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&lt;----stands up and cheers , YAY!

finally someone else "gets it"

 

Have a quick ?? Have a 94 civic coupe with GC coils (450f/550r), 7" springs around, koni yellow. About to order the comptech tie/sway bar come first of june. Here's my ? Do you guys have a problem with the GC spring shifting out of alignment as to said when the rear tire lifts on corners. About to do a cage and stiffen up the chassis alot and this is something that has crossed my mind. Car is pretty slammed and when it's jacked up there is at least a 2" gap at the top of the spring. Hope i worded this right. Thanks Todd

 

when you lift a wheel, the spring will coem unseated. but it'll pop back when the suspension compresses. if it realy bothers you, you can get a set of helper springs.
-spenc

 

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how about you come over to SM, and show me how it's done?

 

Lifting has too many things to take in consideration to be able to say its just a bar causing your lift.

I lift running 900R with a 22mm bar and 650F with no bar...this isn't even a tight corner

3 wheeling is good


If it bothers you that much I would say play with the front and try a front bar if you don't have one.