Koni shocks revalved
How were they revalved for 1,000lbs/in. when Koni has told me numerous times that off the shelf Konis (Yellows) can be revalved for a maximum of 900lbs?
Where did you have them revalved at?
Where did you have them revalved at?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTEConly »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How were they revalved for 1,000lbs/in. when Koni has told me numerous times that off the shelf Konis (Yellows) can be revalved for a maximum of 900lbs?
Where did you have them revalved at? </TD></TR></TABLE>
We just did them at KONI North America and used the SPSS3 valving and should be fine for 1000+ lbs springs. With the our standard SPSS valving, the 900 might be on the high end but as I have said a bazillion times there is no specific "this rate Yes, that rate No" line as there are too many variables. The SPSS3 is basically an extension of the SPSS but it pushes the body capacity about as far as they can go and we normally hold it for specifically race prepped Integras, big Civics and Preludes where we know the car will for sure be at the high end of the spring rate range.
Sorry you need to part with them Will. If you have difficulty parting with them, let me know as there seems to always be a ready market for them.
Where did you have them revalved at? </TD></TR></TABLE>
We just did them at KONI North America and used the SPSS3 valving and should be fine for 1000+ lbs springs. With the our standard SPSS valving, the 900 might be on the high end but as I have said a bazillion times there is no specific "this rate Yes, that rate No" line as there are too many variables. The SPSS3 is basically an extension of the SPSS but it pushes the body capacity about as far as they can go and we normally hold it for specifically race prepped Integras, big Civics and Preludes where we know the car will for sure be at the high end of the spring rate range.
Sorry you need to part with them Will. If you have difficulty parting with them, let me know as there seems to always be a ready market for them.
I would think about the cost of new OTS Konis minimum.
FWIW people, I got my Konis revalved when I went to 600F / 1000R springs. The shocks work GREAT and the revalve is totally worth doing.
FWIW people, I got my Konis revalved when I went to 600F / 1000R springs. The shocks work GREAT and the revalve is totally worth doing.
Question.
revalve will bring the compression adjustement too?(separate button or same one but with 2 way?)
Or is it a feature that came if asked?
Sorry,been asked before but didn't get an answer.
revalve will bring the compression adjustement too?(separate button or same one but with 2 way?)
Or is it a feature that came if asked?
Sorry,been asked before but didn't get an answer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francois »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Question.
revalve will bring the compression adjustement too?(separate button or same one but with 2 way?)
Or is it a feature that came if asked?
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You will only get compression adjustability if you ask for them to be converted to Double Adjustable which is quite a bit more expensive. In a single adjustable revalving, the compression damping does change top become more aggressive but is not adjustable. That DA conversion will have a seperate adjuster at the bottom. Konis cannot be made to adjust rebound and compression with the same adjuster and stay away or at least be leery of any shock that adjusts (or claims to adjust) both in a single motion. This is a sign of a very low tech, bleed only adjustment and is not a good thing.
revalve will bring the compression adjustement too?(separate button or same one but with 2 way?)
Or is it a feature that came if asked?
.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You will only get compression adjustability if you ask for them to be converted to Double Adjustable which is quite a bit more expensive. In a single adjustable revalving, the compression damping does change top become more aggressive but is not adjustable. That DA conversion will have a seperate adjuster at the bottom. Konis cannot be made to adjust rebound and compression with the same adjuster and stay away or at least be leery of any shock that adjusts (or claims to adjust) both in a single motion. This is a sign of a very low tech, bleed only adjustment and is not a good thing.
So what you 're saying Lee, is that once you get your single adjustable Konis revalved for higher rates, you can no longer adjust the compression (damping)? In other words the shocks become non-adjustable?
I thought there was a compression range you can adjust. When I called Koni about 2yrs ago for a rebuilt & revalve job, they asked me for a range. I asked them to explain. The guy said that if I wanted mine revalved for 600lbs, I should be able to adjust them +/- 100lbs. Is this not true?
I thought there was a compression range you can adjust. When I called Koni about 2yrs ago for a rebuilt & revalve job, they asked me for a range. I asked them to explain. The guy said that if I wanted mine revalved for 600lbs, I should be able to adjust them +/- 100lbs. Is this not true?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTEConly »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what you 're saying Lee, is that once you get your single adjustable Konis revalved for higher rates, you can no longer adjust the compression (damping)? In other words the shocks become non-adjustable? </TD></TR></TABLE>
No. OTS Koni adjusters adjust rebound ONLY. Lesser shocks adjust both at the same time. A true (in the racer's sense of the word) double adjustable has separate adjusters for rebound and compression.
So you can just get them revalved, and have them stay rebound adjustable, or "single." Or you can have them converted to doubles. You lose no adjustability and the difference is actually quite remarkable.
No. OTS Koni adjusters adjust rebound ONLY. Lesser shocks adjust both at the same time. A true (in the racer's sense of the word) double adjustable has separate adjusters for rebound and compression.
So you can just get them revalved, and have them stay rebound adjustable, or "single." Or you can have them converted to doubles. You lose no adjustability and the difference is actually quite remarkable.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTEConly »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what you 're saying Lee, is that once you get your single adjustable Konis revalved for higher rates, you can no longer adjust the compression (damping)? In other words the shocks become non-adjustable? </TD></TR></TABLE>
What they said above. Koni single adjustables are always rebound adjustable with a preset compression valve. We can change the valving itself but a single will always be rebound adjustable. We can also convert the singles to double adjustable allowing you to additionally adjust compression damping seperately as well. Rebound does probably 95+% of you adjusting needs both in controlling spring rates and in tuning the sprung weight for transitions and handling balance. Compression does a totally different job and generally much less. It controls the unsprung weight and basically the tire's ability to be held to the ground.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTEConly »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The guy said that if I wanted mine revalved for 600lbs, I should be able to adjust them +/- 100lbs. Is this not true? </TD></TR></TABLE>
With as big as the rebound adjustments range on a Koni is (basically twice as firm at max as it is a min), I would definately think that they would work on a much broader range of spring rates than only 200 lbs.
What they said above. Koni single adjustables are always rebound adjustable with a preset compression valve. We can change the valving itself but a single will always be rebound adjustable. We can also convert the singles to double adjustable allowing you to additionally adjust compression damping seperately as well. Rebound does probably 95+% of you adjusting needs both in controlling spring rates and in tuning the sprung weight for transitions and handling balance. Compression does a totally different job and generally much less. It controls the unsprung weight and basically the tire's ability to be held to the ground.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTEConly »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The guy said that if I wanted mine revalved for 600lbs, I should be able to adjust them +/- 100lbs. Is this not true? </TD></TR></TABLE>
With as big as the rebound adjustments range on a Koni is (basically twice as firm at max as it is a min), I would definately think that they would work on a much broader range of spring rates than only 200 lbs.
All I know is I wish I had a car to put them on. They really feel nice if you just looking and how long it takes the shock to rebound. Man I wish I had a car to put then on. 92-95 Hatch would be nice. All the cars here in Wisconsin have that rust around the corners and I'm not going that route again.
But thanks for all your help CRXLee. When I needed these shocks valved you answered all my questions and it was the best phone transaction I've ever had period. This guy knows his stuff when it comes to shocks. I remember when I asked you when they needed to be revalved again ( since I was comparing them to Ad ) and CRXLee answered when you plan on crashing ? great response wouldn't you say
Plus on a dual adjust shock what or how much do you gain , isn't it some driver too ? And if your running SM you can use the top hats from Gc or spend the money on getting the fronts shortened. Anway you'll be happy with a Koni shock.
But thanks for all your help CRXLee. When I needed these shocks valved you answered all my questions and it was the best phone transaction I've ever had period. This guy knows his stuff when it comes to shocks. I remember when I asked you when they needed to be revalved again ( since I was comparing them to Ad ) and CRXLee answered when you plan on crashing ? great response wouldn't you say
Plus on a dual adjust shock what or how much do you gain , isn't it some driver too ? And if your running SM you can use the top hats from Gc or spend the money on getting the fronts shortened. Anway you'll be happy with a Koni shock.
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