Howdy guys! I'm a newbie around here, and I'm definitely trying to get near around 200whp, and good power in the upper RPM range. The concern isn't really the WHP, but where my engine can create power. I'm running a b18c1, all stock. Where do I start?

Also secondly, I'm hoping for good combustion efficiency--what should I be getting to help me along towards my goal? Thanks guys.

 

well first things first...use the search button...oh, and welcome to h-t. i have an almost 200whp b18c1(see my sig.) n/a, turbo, n2o??? what are your plans?

 

Mr. Search will get you 200 wHP in no time flat!

Sometimes the pro's actually do respond to repetitive posts though, so here's my prediction of how this thread might go...

Most people will recommend you start out with type-R cams, skunk2 IM, i/h/e, and maybe new pistons and a VAFC. That prolly won't get u to 200 but it's a real good start.

Every few posts, someone's gonna jump in with a comment like "just boost that ****" or "come to the DARRRK SIDE" or something like that. lol.

I h-t too much

 

Heres something to get you started

200 hp Na

You'll need a Good header(Toda, jdm 4-1, something 2.5) , 2.5 exhuast system, Intake(Compptech Ice box is a good choice) Came gears, Cams, Itr/skunk or something more aggresive. Maybe higher compression, pistons, headgasket(whatever the budget allows), Intake manifold, tuning, hondata, Lightweight flywheel, short tranny b16/Itr, Gsr is fine, but stay away from an Ls tranny. This should put you around 185-200.

Supercharger

JRSC 7 psi, good header, exhuast, tuning... Average Gsr makes around 230 hp, however I dont like superchargers so Either go Na or turbo.

Turbo

This will actually make more power than 200, Greddy kit genereally makes around 230, however if you want to go further you can go with a Revhard/Drag kit or custom, get some good duel management and make around 275-300 on stock motor

Nos, well Nitrous sucks so stay away from the bottle

 

well if you dont make any mods how do you expect to get results????

 

A turbo kit is the most expensive to buy at one time. By the time you are done working up your motor for N\A you've spent just about the same amount as a turbo kit, or more. Plus turbo is so much more fun to drive with. Much more potential and sick power with turbo, too.

 

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unless you peice together a turbo kit.. so you dont go broke in one shot.

 

Hey guys, thanks for the replies. I know I'm not going turbo, because originally I wanted to, but now I think it just might be more of a headache. Now I realize that I really don't want insane amounts of HP and power, I'm not trying to drag my car, or anything like that--I just think for what I use my car for, it would just be better to stay all motor.

I'm searching around a lot more, learning new things--but I know nothing about cars, and don't want to get thrown into the wrong direction as far as what to do. I'm sure you all know that there ARE some people out there that'll just say things and not know what they're talking about--and thats the kind of thing I want to avoid, because I can't really comprehend good from bad if I don't know anything. I'm not trying to say anyone has done that yet(...if they did I wouldn't even know), but yeah, I'm sure you understand what I mean.

 

one of the magazines did a prroject 200 integra that had no real huge mods, and they got pretty close, i have been looking ffor like 20 min but cant find it online, or the mag. it was one of the smaller ones, HCI, MODIFIED, etc... it is a great series and even points out the power gains from stuipd things like upgrading the ground system, etc... look for it, it will be very beneficial for you

 

Found it, sorry though, only found 1 part....it is in turbo


http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0310tur_integra/

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AznJohn33 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mr. Search will get you 200 wHP in no time flat!

Sometimes the pro's actually do respond to repetitive posts though, so here's my prediction of how this thread might go...

Most people will recommend you start out with type-R cams, skunk2 IM, i/h/e, and maybe new pistons and a VAFC. That prolly won't get u to 200 but it's a real good start.

Every few posts, someone's gonna jump in with a comment like "just boost that ****" or "come to the DARRRK SIDE" or something like that. lol.

I h-t too much </TD></TR></TABLE>
They should have just locked this post after that statement. The past, future, and present form of this post!

GL ComptonAssDaniel, and welcome to HT!

 

haha, did you get your name from terry kennedy's nickname? Compton *** terry?

 

OH yes I did. Haha. Also, I appologize, I understand theres probably so many reposts on the same topic, I was just hoping to get a little personalized response. I hope with time on this board, I won't make as many mistakes and slowly merge in with the big boys...lol. But now that you know my plan...

Oh yeah! Also...after searching through some things I now realized there is an all-motor forum...lol I'm such a loser, my bad, and thanks again guys.

 

Boooooooost

Drive a 200whp N/A Integra, then drive a 275whp turbo teg(with TORQUE) and decide which is more fun... Considering they will cost almost the same to achieve.

 

wont the turbo also be more reliable if the boost is kept at a moderate level?

 

Ahhh, now you guys are making me wanna go Turbo again. I hate you!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quikB18B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heres something to get you started

200 hp Na

You'll need a Good header(Toda, jdm 4-1, something 2.5) , 2.5 exhuast system, Intake(Compptech Ice box is a good choice) Came gears, Cams, Itr/skunk or something more aggresive. Maybe higher compression, pistons, headgasket(whatever the budget allows), Intake manifold, tuning, hondata, Lightweight flywheel, short tranny b16/Itr, Gsr is fine, but stay away from an Ls tranny. This should put you around 185-200.

Supercharger

JRSC 7 psi, good header, exhuast, tuning... Average Gsr makes around 230 hp, however I dont like superchargers so Either go Na or turbo.

Turbo

This will actually make more power than 200, Greddy kit genereally makes around 230, however if you want to go further you can go with a Revhard/Drag kit or custom, get some good duel management and make around 275-300 on stock motor

Nos, well Nitrous sucks so stay away from the bottle </TD></TR></TABLE>

^ I double that

 

Hey again. Instead of opening up a NEW topic about the same stupid questions, I was wondering if I should just probably get a custom 2.5 exhaust, with a 2.5 cat, and resonator...because I can't afford a full hytech or SMSP system...it's a couple THOUSAND...I mean a few hundred dollars for a header is ok...as long as it has like a 2.5 collector, I guess, is that right? Also should I trust Meineke to put this together??

As for bigger cams, I guess I will look into that after the exhaust set up goes through--but don't I need new valvesprings?

Also...what is Valve Float, and what causes it?

 

it's true you could get 200whp with alot of mods and big exhaust, cams, etc... but it'll be 200hp @ 7000RPM, right before you are about to shift...in other terms, if you have no way of using that powerband, why bother? unless you have big bucks for a hondata, custom ecu, haltech, etc...

Why don't you concentrate on making torque and the horsepower will come along? After all your integra motor is built for torque (unlike civics) beliebe it or not. Don't go any bigger than 2 1/4" on the exhaust, and try to get stepped tube headers. Good cold air intake will give you a denser oncoming charge wich you can compensate for with a relatively cheap fuel pressure regulator and make more torque throughout the powerband..

These things wont get you on the 200hp, but the increase in torque at all rpms will give you an edge and make the car more driveable and less loud in the process...

 

Pick up a turbo kit, great fun

 

Alright. Im sort of experienced at both (N/A & Turbo) More so N/A then Turbo (just got into the turbo scene really). I've had my GSR at 190whp all motor and now i've got a pieced together kit that costed me around 3k and its all top of the line parts, its been a long process and the car will be driving around tomorrow. So, I haven't driven it yet. I've been building it over the winter, etc. Its been a ton of fun and i've learned a lot of ****, my buddy has a ls turbo and its just another world compared to N/A. trust me.....

Ill get into a few things. Just sit back, buckle up and take what you want from this.

This was my N/A setup that yielded 190whp.
-DPR Stage 6 Headwork(the works, costed a ton, but got everything possible done, ran me 2 Grand for the work), ITR cams, VAFC, Toda Header, 2.5" Carsound cat, 70mm Kakimoto exhaust, JDM 4.785 FD ITR tranny w/ Kaaz lsd, 7lb fidanza flywheel, exedy street clutch, Skunk2 IM, 3" Type R AEM CAI, stock bottom end, stock cam gears, stock obd1 ecu, removed a/c-p/s.

Im pretty sure thats everything. Now granted I had a stock gsr redline (power was still rising at fuel cut out ), stock pistons/rods, etc. I had cam gears but didn't get a chance to install them. Now I put the car on the dyno but only changed my VTEC x-over, didn't have an experienced tuner in the area, so the fuel was untouched. With chipping my ecu, installing cam gears, getting a good tuner and using full potential of everything I "probably" would have gobbled up 200whp no problem. That was with ITR cams too

Now I was probably actually undercamming my setup, the headwork was done for Toda Spec b camshafts. Never had a chance to reach that point....I got inpatient and the money for all motor parts is crazy, along with installation and tuning time after usually a few parts. It adds up in a hurry. Its a lot of fun, great street car, the sound of vtec is crazy, but it just wasn't enough. I needed more power. The extra 20 that I could have put into it just wasn't going to be enough for me. Plus the money situation......Now you look at my list, thats thousands of dollars...FAR more then a turbo setup....that doesn't even include my koni yellows/neuspeed race springs suspension setup that your going to need to put that power you want to the ground.

So be prepared to fork out money with all motor. It cost more then any of them if you want big power.

This car could have pulled high 13's no problem on street tires. I ran 14.2 once with the car the only time I ran it with ITR cams, and that was on a slick night where I could only land a 2.35 at best for a 60ft (ran a 14.3 with gsr cams on a 2.19 60ft), so 13's was definately achievable, it was very fast and sounded awesome, but still wasn't enough.

Your going to want more power....trust me

I decided to piece together a kit. Everything was bought off this board, spent a ton of time in the forced induction forum and met a bunch of people that helped me out every step of the way. I learned a ton and start buying parts one by one. Until I finally got everything together. It takes a while, and at times its frustrating but the end result is worth every second that you wait. Turbo just has crazy potential and you can't help but love a blow off valve, especially right next to a V8 that feels he is going to smoke you. Go into the forced induction forum, read some posts, im sure you'll change your mind. Just sit down and think about it, I spent a ton on my all motor setup, then I transferred over. If I would have done it all over I would have went straight to turbo and saved myself a ton of money. I did happen to sell a ton of my parts and get most of the money for my kit from my parts, but it was still a hassle, which led to a bunch of down time. Luckily I had all winter to deal with this. I spent around 3k and I am going to run a safe 7.5psi and get anywhere from 240-270whp or so, depending on how the tune goes. Also, ill have a ton more torque. Tons more fun, less cost and you won't regret a second (except when it breaks and you gotta build it again, but thats cars). I guess I will just end with...whatever you choose. Its going to be fun as hell, but take your time and do things right, or the money you invest won't be ****.

Goodluck

 

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whats your setup that your pulling 199whp with?

 

http://www.high-performance-engines.com/b18c1.html

Thats a 200whp motor, but not worth the money IMO

 

How can the torque on that motor be so high?

 

Don't ask me lol I just found the link..u can call and find out.