Found this at the A'PEXi usa site. hmmm...

http://www.apexi-usa.com/news.asp?ID=62

 

Well on many cars the ground return point is very weak.
In 12 volts electronics: ie the avg car...it flows from
ground to power. Upgrading the factory ground or creating
a better ground point that allows more current flow is better for
the systems.

Think of it like drinking a shake through a soda straw...sure
some will flow through..but you also have to work harder to
get it as well.

 

They need to post their dyno results for that to be credible sounds like smoke and mirrors and a bunch of BS to me. (time between runs, outside temp, same dyno, specific application,ect)

They probably have a very particular application which they are not providing full details puposely for the purpose of selling to the confused. I say BS!

I would also say that they need to duplicate it more than once and on mutiple automobiles to be even considered. You can get multiple HP figures when you do multiple runs on a dyno. You have to factor in the error of the Dyno device.

 

That's in all electronics... just depends on who you are though. I forget the exact saying but its something like the engineers look at it the correct way, it "flows" from negitive to positive... the rest of the people look at it as flowing from + to -. (FYI>> engineers are correct. Electrons carry a negitive charges and are the ones that "move", so it does flow from - to +).

Just an interesting tidbit.

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car audio and electronics recently tested one of the grounding systems on a volvo wagon - gained 12 peak HP - although I don't know how controlled the test actually was, so YMMV

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjr162 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's in all electronics... just depends on who you are though. I forget the exact saying but its something like the engineers look at it the correct way, it "flows" from negitive to positive... the rest of the people look at it as flowing from + to -. (FYI&gt;&gt; engineers are correct. Electrons carry a negitive charges and are the ones that "move", so it does flow from - to +).

Just an interesting tidbit.

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Yes electrons do flow from negative to positve current flows from + to -, the opposite direction of electron flow.

 

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What I am saying is there is more their than just upgrading the grounds. They are intentionally leaving out specific information in hopes of confusing the public.

My guess is if they are getting any kinds of gains they are reducing the reflected power into the alternator. Which would require special equipment to setup to actually see these gains. The average person could probably buy their system and see no improvement other than in their head which is what the company is hopeing for IMO.

The only way I would believe them is if you had an average installer install it and do mutiple runs to verify. The time it took in between runs is of significance as well. Outside temps, and other things come in to question when long periods of time go by.

 

You might get 8 hp on an old rusted out pinto.

This is as bad as hp claims on spark plug wires. They will not give you hp, unless your old ones were really bad.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What I am saying is there is more their than just upgrading the grounds. They are intentionally leaving out specific information in hopes of confusing the public.

My guess is if they are getting any kinds of gains they are reducing the reflected power into the alternator. Which would require special equipment to setup to actually see these gains. The average person could probably buy their system and see no improvement other than in their head which is what the company is hopeing for IMO.

The only way I would believe them is if you had an average installer install it and do mutiple runs to verify. The time it took in between runs is of significance as well. Outside temps, and other things come in to question when long periods of time go by.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah...I'm agreeing with ya There are far too many variables...

 

**** paying $50-$200 for ground kits just make your own for no more then $20 and it will do the same thing.

 

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halleyuyah!!!!