So far on my ITR that matters is:

Comptech Icebox
removed rear seats

What class will I be in?

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And after this winter:

Comptech Icebox or any other CAI
Mugen 26mm Rear swaybar
Stock wheels with Falken Azenis
4 point Autopower roll bars
removed rear seats

And what if I add:

4-2-1 header
high flow cat / exaust?
Lighten wheels with R compounds
advanced timing


I am way out of the reach of GS as of now. But I don't really care because GS in my region does not provide any competition for me to improve on. STS is what I intended to run for with intense competition for me to learn, Or else, I'll jump striaght into SM. From the above, what combination can I have to still be in STS?

Thank you in advance, the guidebooks don't really help me with these.

 

ITS isn't legal in STS. I beleive you will be in CSP.

 

I ran mine in CSP last time and this time with the addition of Volk Te-37's and Hoosier R rubber I'll run in CSM. I have the Comptech box and the Spoon header as well.

You'll fit into SP fine but, I think without the rear seats you'll be with me in SM, Not sure but, goto Daves site and use the links to read the New class guidelines to be sure.
http://www.autocrossnyc.com

Good luck and hope to see you there, At the Palisades right? Be sure to pre-register!

A.

 

Gotta put the back seats in to run SP.

 

CSP with the seats
Street Mod without them.

 

What if only with the icebox and no rear seat? too lazy to put them back

 

Same, intake puts you in CSP or SM

 

if you leave your car as is, you're in Street Mod...for like the bare minimum of stuff. Seats back in, CSP...you won't have to fight with Supra turbos and everyotherfugginthing...depends on the competition in your area. At least in CSP you have horsepower advantage over the little CRXs that will kill you

 

That's weird......I've seen many other cars with just intake and running STS.
I like STS but not GS due to no competition in my area. So I want to go up to STS.
Is the Icebox the wrong move?

 

ITR isn't legal in STS, you have to run SM

 

Any car with a limited slip differential is illegal for STS. (also sports cars, etc. etc. check http://www.scca.org for all of your rule definitions).

If you want to be competitive, CSP may be your best class. But, I am not sure about the SM class in your region. In my region, there are turbo civics and other fast light cars that would destroy a mildly modified ITR. But, again, it depends on the type of courses. On a tight course, an ITR can be a top five Raw time car.

I would suggest to evaluate your region and competition and then make a decision. Also, ask yourself if you don't really care about placing within your class, but just care about time.

Your best modification for next season would be to get R-compound tires. The Falken's are definitely GREAT tires for STS, but they are definitely no R-compound tire. Look into the Kumho tires (Victoracer or the new race tire). Kumho seem to be the best all around tire (not the fastest, but good price, decent wear, but heavier than Hoosiers)

Good luck !


[Modified by davidnyc, 8:53 PM 11/4/2001]

 

Wow...this sucks. I should've look into the rear sway bar and tires first before the CAI, but I do need some street performance and future lapping days as well.......

I guess it's time to save up for at least $3000 for h/e and cam gears...etc to be best prepared for SM. Local CSP usually have 2-4 competitors, but SM have a class of 7 or more, intense competition is more exciting to watch and participate.

And Dave, I know who the SM regulars are, they appear in between days that don't contradict in all local events (NNJR, WSCC, NYR, NYBMWCCA..etc). I know they are tough to beat with my current skills, I'll have a big smile on my face if I can be top 3 in the future with R compounds. And I do prefer to compete against overall time rather than just the class, it's often hard to tell if I am doing a good job in GS class in my region. Seriously, I don't really care about winning, I am more interested what I can learn from my car.




[Modified by nEoMuGen, 11:37 AM 11/5/2001]

 

Wrong answer! You can spend $10K on your car and still not be much faster. The best money you can spend is on the loose nut behind the wheel! Driving school will make you more competitive, faster and more cheaply than all those mods you're talking about. I see it all the time at events where individuals mods their cars excessively in SM and their times still aren't any faster than the stock class their car came from. Get some instruction and then start modifying your car if you still feel it necessary.

 

I agree you can spend lots of money and only gain .5 seconds maybe, but spend that money on the driver and you can gain 5-7 seconds for less money.

Plus ITRs are not legal for STS but there is talks about STS2 for next year. STS2=turbo, AWD, LSD. You would be in SM without your seats.

 

Look at CSP vs SM nationally. Best chance for an ITR, out of the two, is in SM.

And if you must spend $$ on the R, do the suspension correctly because that alone will put you ahead of 75% of the SM crowd. Turbos and lightweight Civics don't mean squat if they can't put the power down anywhere.

 

My plan to mod the car is for the preparation of next year's lapping days, I plan to attend as many as possible. AutoX is secondary. Again, GS in my region is boring, the new WRX and RSX-S are not threating me too much even though I am already a horrible driver. The competition in my region are AS, SS, BS, CS, STS, SM. These are the only classes with at least 5 entires or more.
Street driving factors also involves and I don't want to miss all the fun of import-tuning. I am trying to get the most out of my car, god knows when it will slip away from me just like lots of members here......theft, accidents....etc

I was about to join the Evolution AutoX classes this year, but at that time I felt short of money and didn't attend. If I have a better economical situation,


[Modified by nEoMuGen, 8:27 AM 11/6/2001]

 

>>Look at CSP vs SM nationally. Best chance for an ITR, out of the two, is in SM.<<

I haven't seen the new PAX numbers for next year yet, but the SM PAX (.842) is actually a little "easier" than CSP (.844). That speaks volumes for what the CRX's and RX-3's are capable of. I'd rather play almost anywhere else! If your car weighs over 2000 lbs, you ain't gonna hang with 'em.

People keep talking about the potential that SM has, and that it will develop into a hella fast class. It looks like it will on paper, but until it actually does... we'll see. CSP is already there though. So, all things considered, I like SM. There's more local competition, I can do more with my car, and the national competition isn't quite as overpowering yet. It may be soon though, and then I'll just refer back to my first 2 reasons for liking SM.

 

Yes I agree with you,

SM has some great potential. I registered my first X as CSP "not knowing alot about the classes till after the races."

Funny enough I did pretty well and improved nicely over tha course of the day.

I was however able to best a Jackson Racing Supercharged ITR all day long. Something about being able to put the power down? I'd guess... I was just happy to stay with this guy for all his potential tuning and raw HP and TQ. I saw we were Both Novice and watched him closely, even though He was SM and I was CSP!

Later I found out that even though he was labeled novice that he raced 2 other times before, this was my first. There, now you can tell why I was happy. I also kept up with and bested a buddies S-2000!

Auto-X is soo much fun I just look at another driver and see what he's doin and try to get retain and practice some good pointers and observations. This year was just fun for me, I think next year I'll be alot more competitive.

And, Neo, this Coming Sunday, lets look at everything closely, CSP is a Very competitive class there, SM is a little easier and affords me at least a bit more of a chance.

Goto: http://www.wscc.org and look at the times/PAX and see what CSP looks like as compared to SM. CSP= Lotsa modded Miata's & CRX's!

Good luck and see some of ya very soon,

A.

 

Perspective: From running most of the CENDIV and National events this year, I have came to the conclusion that it doesn't require 600HP to win SM. Most of the people with the turboed Civics, JRSC GSRs, bolt-on Camaros, etc either don't have the correct suspension, tires, LSD, or whatever. Guys in such cars as a JRSC GSR do springs/shocks and leave the open diff in their car and most times do worse than a stock GSR on Kumhos.

SM was made for such people to come out and have fun, but to be nationally competitive in the class, you don't need to go wild with engine mods. Power is never bad, but a 200HP 2100 lbs car properly setup will be able to beat the Supras, M3s, AWD talons, etc. That's my crystal ball talking, and perhaps I'll have some impact on that theory next year when my R gets "serious"

 

My friend runs a JRSC GSR w/ a ITR LSD. The LSD helps a LOT, he is a top 3-5 car overall here. Susp wise he is now running 600lb front, 400lb rear springs, koni yellows, and ITR rear swaybar. w/ 205/50/15 V700s on '94 GSR rims. He was running 225s up front, but it bogged the car down to much coming out of the turns.

 

>>Power is never bad, but a 200HP 2100 lbs car properly setup will be able to beat the Supras, M3s, AWD talons, etc. That's my crystal ball talking, and perhaps I'll have some impact on that theory next year when my R gets "serious" <<

Cool! I'm looking forward to seeing an ITR make a serious bid for SM. How are you going to address the brake clearance issue? Somehow, ITR's *have* to get more rubber on the road.

On a more scary note (for those of us who think a hybrid Civic may be the ticket for SM), is there anything keeping Tom Elam's RX-3 from being perfectly SM legal? How about if he bumped up the HP another 50 or so? Hopefully he'd have to add a little ballast to make the weight limit...

 

600/400 and an ITR LSD is really not the way to go. I'm chucking my factory ITR LSD because it can't put smooth power down out of the turns. 600/400 rates may be ok for street and roadcourse, but probably not for autox.

205/50s aren't enough rubber either. The DSMs are running 275s all around and the M3s the same.

 

Brake clearance issues = 15x9's and 225/45's stretched over them Suspension will be stiff enough so I won't have to worry about rubbing.

I should be able to get in the 2300lb range weight wise and HP I'm already there. We'll see what happens.

And the RX3's are SM legal. If someone builds one of those right they could blow away the class.

 

he was running 400/600 w/ no swaybar. w/ the 600/400 plus swaybar the car is much more controllable. He said he is prob going to go up to 500 in the rear plus the swaybar for next season. The itr lsd was cheap ($200) thats why he got it. He does have a little traction problems coming out of the turns w/ the 205s, but w/ the 225s the car wouldn't pull out of the turns.

 

The ITR cannot run in STS because of the LSD not the intake.