i have a 92 civic hatch with a jdm h22, everything is stock but 255 lph fuel pump, but i am running a h23 tranny because a couple of people have told me it is shorter gearing, but now people are telling me that h22 is shorter gearing, im already running 13.12 completly stock but is it worth changing trannys and will it make a difference. if anyone knows please help!

 

yes and the h22a has shorter gearing.

 

where can i find out the gear ratios and how big of a difference would it make to switch to the 2.2 tranny

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549372

it will make a big difference...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11sh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a 92 civic hatch with a jdm h22, everything is stock but 255 lph fuel pump, but i am running a h23 tranny because a couple of people have told me it is shorter gearing, but now people are telling me that h22 is shorter gearing, im already running 13.12 completly stock but is it worth changing trannys and will it make a difference. if anyone knows please help!</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're kidding right? Prove it. If you don't know which transmission is better for all motor then you are seriously in need of help. I don't want to waste my energy typing out the differences and which is best so go ahead and click on the top right corner on a link called "Search". Enjoy and have fun.

 

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You're kidding right? Prove it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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With the right amount of weight reduction and a set of sticky tires, I don't doubt it. I've seen quite a few 4th Gen Ludes with basic bolt ons run high 13's on street tires...so lose a few hundred pounds and it's quite reasonable.

But no, the H23a1 tranny has longer gears. The H22a tranny would probably be better suited for all motor since you won't drop down below VTEC when you shift. (Or won't drop down too low)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11sh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a 92 civic hatch with a jdm h22, everything is stock but 255 lph fuel pump, but i am running a h23 tranny because a couple of people have told me it is shorter gearing, but now people are telling me that h22 is shorter gearing, im already running 13.12 completly stock but is it worth changing trannys and will it make a difference. if anyone knows please help!</TD></TR></TABLE>

what do you need all that fuel for?!

and to answer the question, the H22 tranny has shorter gearing.

 

i really dont give a **** if you dont believe me, people like you are hatters because someone has a faster car then them, i know what i got and thats all the matters all i did is ask a question,

 

plus im about to install skunk 2 stage 2 cams euro r manifold and dual stage nitrous, i should have no problem getting into the 11s runs, but i really need to know who makes a good 4-1 header? and i forgot to mention my head has supertec nitro coded race valves dual valve springs also shimed, titanium retainers, and milled 10k.

 

if you're spending so much money on your car already, get the best header, SMSP.

 

i like my h23 tranny it suits me fine....... you can switch to h22 to it wont make that much of a difference

ask in the hybrid forum what rpm they drop into after every gear.... yours shouldnt be very different

 

Come to think of it, the h23 might be a better tranny for you
since your car is quite a bit lighter, the longer gears could benefit you more
i say stick with the tranny you have

 

a buddy of mine with a jdm h22 with a H23 tranny in his 92 prelude si ran 14.5@98mph.

And in all, my BUTT DYNO cant tell the difference between the h22 and h23 tranny.

but i would go with a h22 tranny

 

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With the right amount of weight reduction and a set of sticky tires, I don't doubt it. I've seen quite a few 4th Gen Ludes with basic bolt ons run high 13's on street tires...so lose a few hundred pounds and it's quite reasonable.

But no, the H23a1 tranny has longer gears. The H22a tranny would probably be better suited for all motor since you won't drop down below VTEC when you shift. (Or won't drop down too low) </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm calling BS on 4th Gen's with bolt ons running 13's

 

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I'm calling BS on 4th Gen's with bolt ons running 13's </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why, just cause 5th gens are inherently slower than 4th gens? It's known that several 4th gens with bolt ons (ie I/H/E/Vafc) or the like have hit 13's.

 

that does seem crazy to be that fast in a 4th gen my friend has one with i/e/h.vafc and his fastest time is 15.2 maybe with good tires he could pull off a 14.9/14.8 but i dont see him being more than a sec faster

 

Unless you go turbo and have insane trap speeds, the H22 tranny will help your times. It will keep the motor in VTEC while shifting. What about an LSD? If you do tranny work, you should get a Quaife LSD. $800 more to lower your times maybe half a second at most.

 

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Why, just cause 5th gens are inherently slower than 4th gens? It's known that several 4th gens with bolt ons (ie I/H/E/Vafc) or the like have hit 13's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sorry, you are mistaken...

A Prelude with I/H/E/Vafc , otherwise STOCK won't run 13's, I don't care if John Force is driving it... You produce a timeslip along with a video, etc....

...and you'll have a video if a Prelude with more than I/H/E/Vafc

JRSC'd Preludes only run high 13's to low 14's... Moderate turbo setups without engine work run 13's, bullshit boltons DON'T run 13's!


EDIT-

Here's a 1/4mi times board... 22 different Preludes listed, only one car running faster than 14's, and it's an '88 model running 10's. Mods are listed...
&data2=1000&op2=&lt;&search2=et&days=10000000&resu ltsperpage=10&carmake=18" TARGET="_blank"&gt;http://www.dragtimes.com/resul...ke=18


Modified by Nocturnal at 12:15 PM 5/7/2004


Modified by Nocturnal at 12:17 PM 5/7/2004

 

I don't know what to tell you except that there are a LOT of people in the world that cant drive worth a ****. With I/E/P my Si ran a 15.3 with bad rods... that's driving. I've seen people run 13's with minor bolt ons in a 4th gen... it's called driving. I'd say 80% of prelude (or most any common street car) drivers can't drive thier car to it's fullest. Hell I know my Si could have pulled a 15.1 that night had it not been for my ******* up while driving. People underestimate the power of a driver that knows thier car perfectly...

I'm not going to argue any more because you aren't going to believe me, and I already know what I know, so there's no point.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11sh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i really dont give a **** if you dont believe me, people like you are hatters because someone has a faster car then them, i know what i got and thats all the matters all i did is ask a question, </TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting, I don't recall saying I didn't believe you in my previous post, I simply asked you to prove it. Learn the differences.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11sh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> plus im about to install skunk 2 stage 2 cams euro r manifold and dual stage nitrous, i should have no problem getting into the 11s runs, but i really need to know who makes a good 4-1 header? and i forgot to mention my head has supertec nitro coded race valves dual valve springs also shimed, titanium retainers, and milled 10k. </TD></TR></TABLE>

OOH, so you contracdicted yourself right when you said you were completely stock, last time I checked STOCK H22A heads did not come with milled heads.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11sh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> plus im about to install skunk 2 stage 2 cams euro r manifold and dual stage nitrous, i should have no problem getting into the 11s runs, but i really need to know who makes a good 4-1 header? and i forgot to mention my head has supertec nitro coded race valves dual valve springs also shimed, titanium retainers, and milled 10k. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Dont waste your $ on a Euro R manifold. Have your stock manifold worked.

 

My brother could manage only a 13.9 with the F-Max turbo setup unmodified


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Prelude Styl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know what to tell you except that there are a LOT of people in the world that cant drive worth a ****. With I/E/P my Si ran a 15.3 with bad rods... that's driving. I've seen people run 13's with minor bolt ons in a 4th gen... it's called driving. I'd say 80% of prelude (or most any common street car) drivers can't drive thier car to it's fullest. Hell I know my Si could have pulled a 15.1 that night had it not been for my ******* up while driving. People underestimate the power of a driver that knows thier car perfectly...

I'm not going to argue any more because you aren't going to believe me, and I already know what I know, so there's no point. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

the h22 tranny will make a big difference. i have had all 3 trannys and h22 is best... if you really want to make a difference look for euro-r tranny, or at least m2b4 (jdm lsd).

also i ran 14.9 w/intake and dc header(which we all know sux) in my 4th gen. so w/slicks some good bolt ons and a good driver, 13.99 maybe, its close but streaching it.

 

I think a 13.9 is definately possible with a 4th gen. Me for example, I ran a 14.33@95mph with just AEM CAI, Carsound cat, and 2.5" exhaust, no weight reduction besides the lost of P/S. With a good header and my now acquired VAFC, tuned that is, I think I can manage a 13 second run. With slicks I run 14.1's, so a 13 second pass would be easier with slicks.

 

See guys, caLiH22A could pull a 13 sec pass NO PROBLEM if he tunes his VAFC and puts on a decent header.