I got owned daily by a friend of mine who has B16 head on B20 in his 'tegra. My car is a EK Hatch with B16A, I'm thinking about doing a major mod. I dont want to go turbo knowing that I'll have to put alot of time to maintain it afterward. However, I want to beat B20 VTEC back. Now....here's the question..

1. Should I sell my Si motor and get a ITR motor into my EK?

or

2. Should I get a JR supercharger for my B16A?

Give me some inputs. Thank you

 

how many cars do you lose by?

get a high flow cat.
stright piping.

 

Bump up

 

Lose by about a car length, no more than 2.

I've already got Intake, and custom exhaust system with high flow cat.

 

mate a built 2.0l block with that head.

 

okay try this man...

what size are your rims?

try getting smaller? or stock?
Also take your spare tire and jack out.

if you want to do a major MOD I would get a CAM

 

I have a 96 ek with a b18c and have faced the same problems as you. After thinking long and hard about the Type R swap and the JRSC also, I've decided that the dark side (turbo) is the absolute best option. Don't think that driving a supercharged car is any easier to maintain than a turbo'd car.

Lets see:

Option 1) an ITR swap runs roughly $4,500 and will only get you 190hp.
Option 2) a JRSC new is about $2,500-$3,000 and will yield, I think, around 210hp on a B16 or thereabout. Yeah, you'd beat the B20 teg but.......
Option 3) a turbo kit pieced together to your specs, shopping around for deals including Hondata costed me $3,800 with some money allocated for tuning also and will support, if I dare on a stock B18c block, 350 hp with room for more. More than enough to stomp the B20 teg.

Give the turbo option some serious thought. A properly sized kit along with the right fuel management (Hondata woot woot) would drive like stock---and is easily upgradable.

 

going to the turbo side is good.....

BUT you also have to rebuilt your motor for turbo... that would cost alot of money... plus the motor wont be as realiable

 

15 Inch TE37. KUMHO tires
H&R springs on Tokico shocks (non adjustable)

CAMS are still stock, no internal mod on the motor.

Transimission has light weight flywheel, but stock clutch.
Also, short shifter as a free gift from the shop that I swaped motor at.

 

The ITR swap would probably pull on the Integra, and unlike the boosted options, would run trouble-free for years and years of 8500rpm driving.

Ask me how I know.

 

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BUT you also have to rebuilt your motor for turbo... that would cost alot of money... plus the motor wont be as realiable</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats very true. But, do you think that a JRSC doen't alter engine longevity as well? As for the Type R swap, thats an awesome way to go but it's a little pricey. BTW, a properly tuned Hondata pushing roughly 250whp is very reliable. The problems happen when the owner can't resist the lure on the boost controller.

 

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Thats very true. But, do you think that a JRSC doen't alter engine longevity as well? As for the Type R swap, thats an awesome way to go but it's a little pricey. BTW, a properly tuned Hondata pushing roughly 250whp is very reliable. The problems happen when the owner can't resist the lure on the boost controller. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's true.

 

I would just get a cam and see what happends.

saves you LOTS OF TIME + less money

 

CAMs eh?

What kind are you recommending? SKUNK2?
What kindda output will I end up with?

That's not a bad idea, since I've already have SKUNK@ cam gears. But would it serve the purpose?

 

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Ask me how I know.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How do you know?!?!?!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rice Ball &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CAMs eh?

What kind are you recommending? SKUNK2?
What kindda output will I end up with?

That's not a bad idea, since I've already have SKUNK@ cam gears. But would it serve the purpose?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Skunk cams----eh, I've heard too many bad things. You'd also need dual valve springs to supports Skunk cams, I beleive, b/c your b16's valve springs will float pass a point.
Ask a majority od Ht members and they'd recommend CTR cams. Great power, great prices and OEM reliability.

 

Integra Type R Cams
I'v notice a huge gain! The VTEC screams


EDIT: DONT GET SKUNK cams. I'v also heard many bad things about them

 

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How do you know?!?!?! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Damnit, beat me to it ricer.

 

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saves you LOTS OF TIME + less money</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cams + B16A = WASTE of time and money, and cams.

I also have a B16A as well as the B18C5...

 

get a dart 2.1L tall-deck block and throw on your b16 head total cost will be around $2200 and you'll fly!

 

agree, i have a toda valvetrain on my b16...disappointed i dream about a new block all the time...no money

 

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Two people have told me to do this.

Anyone else has anything to add to this?

 

not much else to add. that is the cheapest and most reliable way you'll go faster.

 

i thought dart blocks come bare...so wouldnt you have to spend more on your block internals? and thats not cheep

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by todaspecsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i thought dart blocks come bare...so wouldnt you have to spend more on your block internals? and thats not cheep</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah (dunno why i said 'total cost' above), but that's what I'd do before swapping from a b16 to a b18 He never did say money was too big a factor, he just wants to roll his buddy