HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ?
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HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ?
So today I get a call from a friend telling me that I just have to see something that he has dicovered, its so low that I am not going to believe it. He tells me to go to my old web address http://WWW.AZFAB.COM, so I get on my computer and wouldnt you know it that when the web address is entered I get redirected to the one and only "HASPORT". For some people who are probably saying to themselves "so what" Iam going to go back to the begining of things so it is a little more clear.
A few years back I and a friend started a small company by the name of AZFAB. The main goal of the company was to provide the Honda and Acura community with the first ever billet mount kit and of course eventually branch off into other areas of performance products. We eventually released our billet mount kit a full 3 months before HASPORTS. The kits were selling great and we were getting good feedback from all of our customers, we were definately looking forward to the future. One of our biggest supporters was rite here in Arizona, a shop that will remain unamed was displaying our billet kit when an employee of HASPORT offered to trade one of there new billet kits for our kit. The shop owner turned the offer down but shortly after I recieved a call from the owner saying that he could no longer sell our kit. I later found out that Brian G. had cut a deal with the shop owner that would get them a specific amount of exposure in a few magazines if they would not carry my products. As of now my company is inactive but
I still do have the wrights to the name AZFAB, not only is it a registered business name here in AZ but it is also registered federally as an LLC. If the roles were reversed and I was doing this to HASPORT Iam pretty confident that Brian G. and others would not let this go unoticed. Below I included a link so people can see for themselves.
Ohh and while Iam on this subject lets set the record straight AZFAB is the originator of the billet mount kit not HASPORT.
http://www.azfab.com
A few years back I and a friend started a small company by the name of AZFAB. The main goal of the company was to provide the Honda and Acura community with the first ever billet mount kit and of course eventually branch off into other areas of performance products. We eventually released our billet mount kit a full 3 months before HASPORTS. The kits were selling great and we were getting good feedback from all of our customers, we were definately looking forward to the future. One of our biggest supporters was rite here in Arizona, a shop that will remain unamed was displaying our billet kit when an employee of HASPORT offered to trade one of there new billet kits for our kit. The shop owner turned the offer down but shortly after I recieved a call from the owner saying that he could no longer sell our kit. I later found out that Brian G. had cut a deal with the shop owner that would get them a specific amount of exposure in a few magazines if they would not carry my products. As of now my company is inactive but
I still do have the wrights to the name AZFAB, not only is it a registered business name here in AZ but it is also registered federally as an LLC. If the roles were reversed and I was doing this to HASPORT Iam pretty confident that Brian G. and others would not let this go unoticed. Below I included a link so people can see for themselves.
Ohh and while Iam on this subject lets set the record straight AZFAB is the originator of the billet mount kit not HASPORT.
http://www.azfab.com
Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
Sounds like an attack on HASport in order to plug some website.
Take the links out of your post and then you *might* get some credibility - but probably not
Oh one more thing, who cares
Take the links out of your post and then you *might* get some credibility - but probably not
Oh one more thing, who cares
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (jeff652)
Maybe I wasnt clear enough for you !!! This is not a plug for my company. I am no longer selling any products so I dont have anything to gain by putting in my website address. Furthermore I dont own the address anymore the domain was purchased by HASPORT which was what I was getting at in the first place. Ohh and of course you dont care you are not the one that this is happening to.
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
No offense or anything but why are you posting this here? Shouldn't you be going to a "higher" authority than honda-tech? I mean it sounds kinda fishy that you would post here before doing something else that would actually affect an outcome or resolution. Oh yeah and I think this is the wrong forum to post it in anyway, try the General Discussion forum but prepare to get blasted on.
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (yebabee)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yebabee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh yeah and I think this is the wrong forum to post it in anyway, try the General Discussion forum but prepare to get blasted on.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no ****, but since its here.. ill put in my $.02.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aka f »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe I wasnt clear enough for you !!! This is not a plug for my company.<U> I am no longer selling any products so I dont have anything to gain by putting in my website address. Furthermore I dont own the address anymore the domain was purchased by HASPORT</U> which was what I was getting at in the first place. Ohh and of course you dont care you are not the one that this is happening to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
-u dont sell the products anymore.
-u have nothing to gain by doing this.
-u dont own the domain anymore. HASPORT DOES.
wtf is ur point?
oh and here is this i found from another thread..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toolowsol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny, the people bashing HMO all have very few posts...
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i think this applies for HASPORT too.....
no ****, but since its here.. ill put in my $.02.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aka f »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe I wasnt clear enough for you !!! This is not a plug for my company.<U> I am no longer selling any products so I dont have anything to gain by putting in my website address. Furthermore I dont own the address anymore the domain was purchased by HASPORT</U> which was what I was getting at in the first place. Ohh and of course you dont care you are not the one that this is happening to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
-u dont sell the products anymore.
-u have nothing to gain by doing this.
-u dont own the domain anymore. HASPORT DOES.
wtf is ur point?
oh and here is this i found from another thread..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toolowsol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny, the people bashing HMO all have very few posts...
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i think this applies for HASPORT too.....
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
that sucks man, its not really wrong legally, but its pretty unethical and low. I do remember your mount kit and that it came out earlier than hasport. Business is tough, even when you have a better product and can get it to market earlier, a big company can easily drown out the smaller one with all its $$. Any products you have in mind for the future?
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (bradford)
Aka,
Let's get a couple things straight, right here and now.
#1. Hasport does not own the rights to AZFAB.COM, ** I DO. **
#2. I forwarded the URL because I felt like it, I thought it was funny, if you don't like that, you should have re-registered it.
#3. Your "billet mount kit" was a mixture of cnc'd and bent aluminum parts welded together. Hasport's kit involves no welding whatsoever, it is 100% billet parts. Just in case you don't know this, welding aluminum alloys together does alter the molecular structure, and unless properly heat treated, they are inherently weaker. By the way, Hasport made B-Series engine mount kits years before you did, does that make you feel any better that they improved their product to something better than what you had made?
#4. If your knew a damned thing about business marketing, you'd probably still be in business. Companies cut deals all day long in order to promote business, it's life, deal with it. By the way, Brian G did not make the deal with the previously un-named company, so quit making assumptions based on hearsay.
#5. If you want the domain name, do as someone else said and get a lawyer. I own it, I don't make mount kits, and I don't care what you think. I'll be awaiting a call from your lawyer.
#6. Yes, I still work for Hasport, they had no knowledge that I purchased this domain name when it became available, and I did it without their consent or suggestion. FYI - I own many domain names, and I plan on using them for my own happiness.
#7. Maybe I should sell the name to one of the many companies that make billet engine mount kits? Would that make you happier? I'm sure that your buddy Adam would get a kick out of it as well.
Thanks for listening. Although I did not mean to come across as an ***, I hate to see a great company wrongfully accused of something that they did not do.
Modified by locash at 11:23 PM 5/1/2004
Let's get a couple things straight, right here and now.
#1. Hasport does not own the rights to AZFAB.COM, ** I DO. **
#2. I forwarded the URL because I felt like it, I thought it was funny, if you don't like that, you should have re-registered it.
#3. Your "billet mount kit" was a mixture of cnc'd and bent aluminum parts welded together. Hasport's kit involves no welding whatsoever, it is 100% billet parts. Just in case you don't know this, welding aluminum alloys together does alter the molecular structure, and unless properly heat treated, they are inherently weaker. By the way, Hasport made B-Series engine mount kits years before you did, does that make you feel any better that they improved their product to something better than what you had made?
#4. If your knew a damned thing about business marketing, you'd probably still be in business. Companies cut deals all day long in order to promote business, it's life, deal with it. By the way, Brian G did not make the deal with the previously un-named company, so quit making assumptions based on hearsay.
#5. If you want the domain name, do as someone else said and get a lawyer. I own it, I don't make mount kits, and I don't care what you think. I'll be awaiting a call from your lawyer.
#6. Yes, I still work for Hasport, they had no knowledge that I purchased this domain name when it became available, and I did it without their consent or suggestion. FYI - I own many domain names, and I plan on using them for my own happiness.
#7. Maybe I should sell the name to one of the many companies that make billet engine mount kits? Would that make you happier? I'm sure that your buddy Adam would get a kick out of it as well.
Thanks for listening. Although I did not mean to come across as an ***, I hate to see a great company wrongfully accused of something that they did not do.
Modified by locash at 11:23 PM 5/1/2004
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (locash)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">#3. Your "billet mount kit" was a mixture of cnc'd and bent aluminum parts welded together. Hasport's kit involves no welding whatsoever, it is 100% billet parts. Just in case you don't know this, welding aluminum alloys together does alter the molecular structure, and unless properly heat treated, they are inherently weaker. By the way, Hasport made B-Series engine mount kits years before you did, does that make you feel any better that they improved their product to something better than what you had made?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would like to set some things straight. "THERE ARE NO BENT PARTS IN THAT MOUNT KIT" The piece your referring too was CNC'd to look that way. Yes, there was one welded piece. Being that I am a Bio-medical electronic tech, I X-rayed every mount.
The Hasport mount Is bolted together. So your saying that a bolt hole is less likely to strip out than a welded piece? In my opinion your wrong.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">#4. If your knew a damned thing about business marketing, you'd probably still be in business. Companies cut deals all day long in order to promote business, it's life, deal with it. By the way, Brian G did not make the deal with the previously un-named company, so quit making assumptions based on hearsay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its only "hearsay" if you get second hand. I was told by "J.M." (his intials) that if he did not sell "AZFAB" mounts that he would receive magazine coverage.
Again not illegal but underhanded. This caused a conflict of interest for myself, because "J.M" sponsered our race car. How can we accept a sponsorship, if the sponser cant or wont carry the product? Needless to say we are no longer sponsored.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">#6. Yes, I still work for Hasport, they had no knowledge that I purchased this domain name when it became available, and I did it without their consent or suggestion. FYI - I own many domain names, and I plan on using them for my own happiness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am not a lawyer but your actions may make Hasport liable. You should have talked to them before doing what you did
I only got involved in the bussiness, to make a little extra money so I could race.
The views expressed are mine alone. I dont want to be a dick, but Aka is a good friend and I hate to see false statements written about him.
DAVE
I would like to set some things straight. "THERE ARE NO BENT PARTS IN THAT MOUNT KIT" The piece your referring too was CNC'd to look that way. Yes, there was one welded piece. Being that I am a Bio-medical electronic tech, I X-rayed every mount.
The Hasport mount Is bolted together. So your saying that a bolt hole is less likely to strip out than a welded piece? In my opinion your wrong.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">#4. If your knew a damned thing about business marketing, you'd probably still be in business. Companies cut deals all day long in order to promote business, it's life, deal with it. By the way, Brian G did not make the deal with the previously un-named company, so quit making assumptions based on hearsay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its only "hearsay" if you get second hand. I was told by "J.M." (his intials) that if he did not sell "AZFAB" mounts that he would receive magazine coverage.
Again not illegal but underhanded. This caused a conflict of interest for myself, because "J.M" sponsered our race car. How can we accept a sponsorship, if the sponser cant or wont carry the product? Needless to say we are no longer sponsored.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">#6. Yes, I still work for Hasport, they had no knowledge that I purchased this domain name when it became available, and I did it without their consent or suggestion. FYI - I own many domain names, and I plan on using them for my own happiness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am not a lawyer but your actions may make Hasport liable. You should have talked to them before doing what you did
I only got involved in the bussiness, to make a little extra money so I could race.
The views expressed are mine alone. I dont want to be a dick, but Aka is a good friend and I hate to see false statements written about him.
DAVE
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (no2psi)
To all the people here that are in support I thank you for the kind words.
Furthermore I would just like to follow by saying that this is a public forum where people are allowed to state there opinions. That being said I just wanted to state that using my comany name to benefit another company in my opinion is wrong, and maybe some people dont see it that way but thats just the way i feel and I am allowed to express my anger in anyway that I feel fit. Although I have no plans to settle this through legal actions I just wanted to express my concern. HASPORTS image has allways been so "SQEAKY CLEAN" so I thought i would just question some of there actions. As stated before if the roles were reversed Iam sure that Brian G. would do something about it.
To joe,
Iam a racer and will always be a racer when I started my business I didnt get into it for money, I did it so that I could keep on racing and keep on going faster. Maybe that is why Iam not in business anymore I was not concerned enough about money ? I have always been fair to any customer that came my way and will continue to do things in that manner. I want to be as succesfull as the next guy but Iam not willing to **** other people to get there, as HASPORT does.
Thanks for changing things joe. If anytime you or anyone else for that matter want to talk face to face just let me know. Maybe I can convince you to stop ******* around . Thats it thats all Iam done.
Modified by aka f at 7:22 PM 5/2/2004
Furthermore I would just like to follow by saying that this is a public forum where people are allowed to state there opinions. That being said I just wanted to state that using my comany name to benefit another company in my opinion is wrong, and maybe some people dont see it that way but thats just the way i feel and I am allowed to express my anger in anyway that I feel fit. Although I have no plans to settle this through legal actions I just wanted to express my concern. HASPORTS image has allways been so "SQEAKY CLEAN" so I thought i would just question some of there actions. As stated before if the roles were reversed Iam sure that Brian G. would do something about it.
To joe,
Iam a racer and will always be a racer when I started my business I didnt get into it for money, I did it so that I could keep on racing and keep on going faster. Maybe that is why Iam not in business anymore I was not concerned enough about money ? I have always been fair to any customer that came my way and will continue to do things in that manner. I want to be as succesfull as the next guy but Iam not willing to **** other people to get there, as HASPORT does.
Thanks for changing things joe. If anytime you or anyone else for that matter want to talk face to face just let me know. Maybe I can convince you to stop ******* around . Thats it thats all Iam done.
Modified by aka f at 7:22 PM 5/2/2004
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
no offence to either party but
Why drag this out in the public eye?
If you have nothing to gain from this why put it out?
Great products will have loyal buyers
Why drag this out in the public eye?
If you have nothing to gain from this why put it out?
Great products will have loyal buyers
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
Thank you for the "face to face" threat, it just proves how childish you really are. This has nothing to do with personal gain or with Hasport's business ethics. Hasport as a company had nothing to do with this, what I do on my own time, with my personal domain names, is my business.
Good luck in your future ventures.
If you'd like to purchase the name AZFAB.COM, I'll be happy to sell it back to you, as I just randomly point it to other domains anyway. You know what, for the hell of it, I'll point it to Place Racing's web site, will that meet your approval?
-joe
Good luck in your future ventures.
If you'd like to purchase the name AZFAB.COM, I'll be happy to sell it back to you, as I just randomly point it to other domains anyway. You know what, for the hell of it, I'll point it to Place Racing's web site, will that meet your approval?
-joe
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know what, for the hell of it, I'll point it to Place Racing's web site, will that meet your approval?</TD></TR></TABLE>
0wn3d
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aka f »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Iam not willing to **** other people to get there, as HASPORT does.</TD></TR></TABLE>
how can they possibly **** someone over when they stand behind their LIFETIME WARRENTY 100%...
0wn3d
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aka f »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Iam not willing to **** other people to get there, as HASPORT does.</TD></TR></TABLE>
how can they possibly **** someone over when they stand behind their LIFETIME WARRENTY 100%...
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (X-Static)
All you really had to do was keep the domain name.... If you cannot afford $6 a year to keep the domain name alive.. then why are you wasting your time on this...
Sounds like someone who is complaining about not winning a lotto ticket, they never turned in.
Sounds like someone who is complaining about not winning a lotto ticket, they never turned in.
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (aka f)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aka f »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So today I get a call from a friend telling me that I just have to see something that he has dicovered, its so low that I am not going to believe it. He tells me to go to my old web address http://WWW.AZFAB.COM, so I get on my computer and wouldnt you know it that when the web address is entered I get redirected to the one and only "HASPORT". For some people who are probably saying to themselves "so what" Iam going to go back to the begining of things so it is a little more clear.
A few years back I and a friend started a small company by the name of AZFAB. The main goal of the company was to provide the Honda and Acura community with the first ever billet mount kit and of course eventually branch off into other areas of performance products. We eventually released our billet mount kit a full 3 months before HASPORTS. The kits were selling great and we were getting good feedback from all of our customers, we were definately looking forward to the future. One of our biggest supporters was rite here in Arizona, a shop that will remain unamed was displaying our billet kit when an employee of HASPORT offered to trade one of there new billet kits for our kit. The shop owner turned the offer down but shortly after I recieved a call from the owner saying that he could no longer sell our kit. I later found out that Brian G. had cut a deal with the shop owner that would get them a specific amount of exposure in a few magazines if they would not carry my products. As of now my company is inactive but
I still do have the wrights to the name AZFAB, not only is it a registered business name here in AZ but it is also registered federally as an LLC. If the roles were reversed and I was doing this to HASPORT Iam pretty confident that Brian G. and others would not let this go unoticed. Below I included a link so people can see for themselves.
Ohh and while Iam on this subject lets set the record straight AZFAB is the originator of the billet mount kit not HASPORT.
http://www.azfab.com</TD></TR></TABLE>
i dont get it
A few years back I and a friend started a small company by the name of AZFAB. The main goal of the company was to provide the Honda and Acura community with the first ever billet mount kit and of course eventually branch off into other areas of performance products. We eventually released our billet mount kit a full 3 months before HASPORTS. The kits were selling great and we were getting good feedback from all of our customers, we were definately looking forward to the future. One of our biggest supporters was rite here in Arizona, a shop that will remain unamed was displaying our billet kit when an employee of HASPORT offered to trade one of there new billet kits for our kit. The shop owner turned the offer down but shortly after I recieved a call from the owner saying that he could no longer sell our kit. I later found out that Brian G. had cut a deal with the shop owner that would get them a specific amount of exposure in a few magazines if they would not carry my products. As of now my company is inactive but
I still do have the wrights to the name AZFAB, not only is it a registered business name here in AZ but it is also registered federally as an LLC. If the roles were reversed and I was doing this to HASPORT Iam pretty confident that Brian G. and others would not let this go unoticed. Below I included a link so people can see for themselves.
Ohh and while Iam on this subject lets set the record straight AZFAB is the originator of the billet mount kit not HASPORT.
http://www.azfab.com</TD></TR></TABLE>
i dont get it
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Re: HASPORTS BUSINESS ETHICS WTF ? (jeff652)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jeff652 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like an attack on HASport in order to plug some website.
Take the links out of your post and then you *might* get some credibility - but probably not
Oh one more thing, who cares </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your an idiot.
READ
Take the links out of your post and then you *might* get some credibility - but probably not
Oh one more thing, who cares
</TD></TR></TABLE>Your an idiot.
READ
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