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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 10:41 AM
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I need to know if a h22 tranny will bolt to a f22 engine thanks
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 11:23 AM
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yes, but you must ask yourself do want to be at 4k rpm at 80mph and kill your gas mileage and over stress your motor and also limiting your top speed. if this is a drag only type of car then it's a great setup, but not for a daily driver if you travel on the highway.
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 09:06 PM
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yes, but you should definatly try and get an H22 motor too.
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 09:39 PM
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This is what I have heard in the past on a similar situation, actually refering to the two transmissions connected to an H22. If you are going to be running a N/A car, I heard the better tranny to go with is the H22, but if you are going to be boosting the car I heard the F22 tranny is better for that setup. Has anyone else heard this before? If I'm wrong please correct me, because I'm only talking through word of mouth and I have no real data to back that up.
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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I run an H23a1 transmission on my turbo accord.

Gas Milage is still alright, to be honest it all goes to **** once you go turbo, it is hard to stay out of boost because it is so damn fun.

But anyway, all of it bolts up fine, and the gear ratios are perfect!!

All of that f22 tranny is better for boost is kind of horseshit IMO, if you like driving your car to 140-150mph+ (F22 gearing) then go ahead and kill yourself while trying it, the H23a1 gears cut down your top speed to 120 or so, but there are no tracks around here I can get that fast anyway, and even if I could, I would need serious brake upgrades.

So, In my experience H23a1 tranny + boost + f-series = Fun, USABLE power.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 11:22 PM
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not sure, but doesnt the H22 motors turn backwards compared to the F series motors which turn clockwise? If so, then the tranny would have 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear.



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Old May 4, 2004 | 06:01 AM
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no
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Old May 4, 2004 | 07:09 AM
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You have gotten the new K series motors and the H series mismatched. Master Acura tech of 12yrs. hmmmm
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Old May 4, 2004 | 09:49 AM
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yea jackass...
Acura tech!
Acura never had any H series motors!
and no I didnt get the K series confused... it turns the same was as the F series which is clockwise.
sounds like your the one thats confused!
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Old May 4, 2004 | 09:53 AM
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and you are sure that they rotate the same way And yes i can read and I can see you are an Acura tech and not a Honda tech but since they are one in the same I just figured you would have known that over your 12 years.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:03 AM
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one in the same?
Not quite... their schools are completely seperate from each other and do things quite different from each. I have built a few H22 motors for customers lately, but I did not install them into the car... but I do know that the front of the motor is facing the drivers side like the B series which is turned around in the chassis compared to most other manufactures and even within Honda/Acura.


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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:07 AM
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what makes you say that the F and K series are the same style. The F, B, H, A, and D are all oriented in the motor bay the same way with the exhaust manifold to the front and the intake manifold to the rear. You should know that. And how are Honda and Acura different? Just because the names are different? please if you are saying that then you should quit your job.


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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one in the same?
Not quite... their schools are completely seperate from each other and do things quite different from each. I have built a few H22 motors for customers lately, but I did not install them into the car... but I do know that the front of the motor is facing the drivers side like the B series which is turned around in the chassis compared to most other manufactures and even within Honda/Acura. This is because the wheels usually turn the same way the enigne does thus the reason the F and K series are facing the passengers side.</TD></TR></TABLE>

F-series faces driver sans S2000. This scares me.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:25 AM
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we are starting to get inacurate information in here...time for a locking i'd say...
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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I did not say that the front of the motor is the exhaust side. I said it faces the front of the car like the other series of motors i listed. The K series is turned the other way.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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Dude, you need to go look at a few cars!
the F series turns clockwise. Thats why people are starting to use it for rearwheel drive projects...

Never said the F and K were the same style, I said they rotate the same direction.

I'm not gonna get into the differences between Honda and Acura on this thread, thats a whole issue by itself.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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this is absurd, so you are telling me my F-series accord is facing the passenger side?

I think you are confused.


K-series and V6 models are the only ones where timing belt is on passenger side.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, you need to go look at a few cars!
the F series turns clockwise. Thats why people are starting to use it for rearwheel drive projects...
Maybee you dont know what an F series is or is installed into besides the S2000.
the timing belt is on the passengers side on all F series cars besides the S2000 only because its a rear wheel drive car.

Never said the F and K were the same style, I said they rotate the same direction.

The intake and exhaust have nothing to do with which way a motor is facing, its where the timing belt side is that matters.

I'm not gonna get into the differences between Honda and Acura on this thread, thats a whole issue by itself.</TD></TR></TABLE>


SHUT UP Please someone lock this
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, you need to go look at a few cars!
the F series turns clockwise. Thats why people are starting to use it for rearwheel drive projects...
Maybee you dont know what an F series is or is installed into besides the S2000.
the timing belt is on the passengers side on all F series cars besides the S2000 only because its a rear wheel drive car.

Never said the F and K were the same style, I said they rotate the same direction.

The intake and exhaust have nothing to do with which way a motor is facing, its where the timing belt side is that matters.

I'm not gonna get into the differences between Honda and Acura on this thread, thats a whole issue by itself.</TD></TR></TABLE>

IF you are talking about the kit cars that use the F series, then yes they do but they also use the H series with turns and faces the same way.
Before you start making accusations an people's knowledge you should check yourself and make sure you know what you are talking about, because in this case you are wrong.

OH and about me needing to look at a few cars I can go out and look at quite i a few in my garage.


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Old May 4, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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So tell us which way your engine turns?
Clockwise (towards the firewall) or Counterclockwise like a B series (towards the front bumper)
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Old May 4, 2004 | 11:15 AM
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OK, he want tell us now...
So here is our PM that tells us which way his motor turns!

(1:42 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: start your car and tell me which way the engine turns...
(1:43 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: t-belt goes towards firewall
(1:45 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: thats clockwise

(1:45 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: B series is opposite.
(1:48 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: CRVs and Civic Sis spin the same way my engine does, I don't know what you are getting at??
(1:49 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: you just said your timing belt goes clockwise right
(1:49 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: or towards the firewall
(1:50 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: yeah
(1:52 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: OK, thats not the same as the B series! they turn away from the firewall, or towards the front bumper
(1:53 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: what the hell are you getting at?? i don't understand what point you are trying to prove man. the only F-series that turns counter is the F20C in the S2k
(1:53 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: the front of your motor is on the drivers side correct like your picture shows?
(1:56 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: dont try and tell me you have no idea what I'm talking about... you just said that your engine turns the same as an SI and a CRV... thats incorrect! they turn opposite of each other! this thread was about transmissions mating with engines, and if the engine turns backwards than the tranny was designed for, then you have 5 reverse gears and one forward!
(1:57 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: what dont you understand?

(1:59 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: The S2000 motor turns clockwise which is why its used to convert to rear wheel drive
(2:03 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: still confused?


now dont everybody shut up all at once!
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Old May 4, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Ok so you are still trying to say that the f22 will not work with an H22 trans. cause if that is the whole point of this then you are still wrong.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 11:27 AM
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that is why I asked the question originally...
How is it that a motor that turns in a different direction can use the same tranny?

Before you all get so pissed off go back and read the top half of this thread again...
Then since your all so brilliant please explain to us "morons" how this is possible.

I never said you could or couldnt, I asked doesnt the two engines turn in opposite directions?
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Old May 4, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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They turn the same direction, refering to H and F series. They don't turn different directions. You were wrong in the first place.

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Old May 4, 2004 | 01:22 PM
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Really, then how do you explain this?

1:42 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: start your car and tell me which way the engine turns...
(1:43 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: t-belt goes towards firewall
(1:45 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: thats clockwise

(1:45 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: B series is opposite.
(1:48 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: CRVs and Civic Sis spin the same way my engine does, I don't know what you are getting at??
(1:49 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: you just said your timing belt goes clockwise right
(1:49 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: or towards the firewall
(1:50 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: yeah
(1:52 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: OK, thats not the same as the B series! they turn away from the firewall, or towards the front bumper
(1:53 PM 5/4/2004) Accord94DX: what the hell are you getting at?? i don't understand what point you are trying to prove man. the only F-series that turns counter is the F20C in the S2k
(1:53 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: the front of your motor is on the drivers side correct like your picture shows?
(1:56 PM 5/4/2004) Mochanic: dont try and tell me you have no idea what I'm talking about... you just said that your engine turns the same as an SI and a CRV... thats incorrect! they turn opposite of each other! this thread was about transmissions mating with engines, and if the engine turns backwards than the tranny was designed for, then you have 5 reverse gears and one forward!

How about we ask a couple people that actually have each different engine... F22/F23 all H series, all B series, and all K series and all D series to confirm which way their motors turn from looking at the front of the motor like standing in front of a clock.
Just to see what is actually going on here... I'm curious!

Take your POS V6 elsewhere, where not discussing your junk!
See, I can be a smart *** ***** too, just like you!!!

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