That is the question gentlemen. I've heard everything from "Definitely!" to "Hell no! I spent $3500!!". So what do you think?

I'm going to reuse the normal stuff... B16A head, stay OBD0, try to find some kind of fuel management (Maybe have someone burn me a chip with Turbo Edit or Uberdata), get the necessary internals done (No sleeving, I'm not going to run too high of a compression) and keep the stock cams... maybe run with a new valvetrain... Can I do it? Would LS/VTEC be cheaper??

 

yes.

 

I vote no unless you have the super HOOK-UP!

 

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i second that

 

it all depends on how much you get the b20 for and choice of pistons.

it is possible since you have the head already its pretty cheap from there.

i would suggest getting the dowel pins made for the conversion so u dont even need a trip to the machine shop.


block 500-700ish
new headgasket 100
forged pistons of your choice with rings.84-84.5mil 500
misc "vtec oil line, plug, fluids 100+

theres a quick summary of the expenses.
good luck

 

u can get it for cheaper i think , jdm **** had a good dal on b20 block and ysi trannys

 

$1500, not if you want it to last and make power.

or,<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ThefirstPACT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I vote no unless you have the super HOOK-UP!</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Its doable, considering the things that you want to remain stock... however, what do you hvae to start with?

However, i think you should consider doing a couple things like getting a GSR block Girdle, and either dowel pinning the block, or getting a block guard.

 

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The sleeves are the weak point in a B-20 build up IMO.

&lt;edit:&gt; B18Tahtaras posted before I could finish comtemplating my thoughts

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Most likely.

 

how many people know first hand that b20 sleeves are weak? or is this just a myth because they are siamese sleeves? who knows of an all motor build that failed due to the actuall block?

 

from first hand experience. the sleeves are strong enough for almost any all motor 91 octane street car compression. they can take boost also. the key is tuning.

people say they are weak, but ive never had any of my friends car blow. i did 3 b20 builds in 03'. i have heard of em cracking when boosting on some ghetto engine management.


and for the naysayers sayin the 1500 b20 vtec wont last and wont be fast. what are you comparing too and wheres the evidence. omniman himself over in the all motor forum has a stock b20z bottom end vtec and put out awesome numbers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fobtions &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> from first hand experience. the sleeves are strong enough for almost any all motor 91 octane street car compression. they can take boost also. the key is tuning.

people say they are weak, but ive never had any of my friends car blow. i did 3 b20 builds in 03'. i have heard of em cracking when boosting on some ghetto engine management.


and for the naysayers sayin the 1500 b20 vtec wont last and wont be fast. what are you comparing too and wheres the evidence. omniman himself over in the all motor forum has a stock b20z bottom end vtec and put out awesome numbers. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah... I already have the B16A head, the tranny, and I'm sure that I can have a machine shop do some of the work for dirt cheap. I just want something greater than 170hp to the wheels. Possible? Who knows... Fun? Yes.

 

Although I'm making a big assumption here...i have a feeling that prices are little bit higher over there in Ohio. Here in southern california it's definitely doable with all the parts floating around.

Also consider the things that will get the engine actually into your car (unless you don't include that in the $1500)

Like motor mounts
Shift Linkage
Axles
Wiring, etc.

 

He's got a B16 already....from what i understand...what would be differn't about the axles/shift linkage/blah blah blah with B series to B series?

 

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Exactly... I don't think anyone is following here.

As for the parts, I can go to several Junkyards around here, and pick up B18Cs for $500-$700. So don't think that since we aren't the tuner capital of the world prices are expensive... Nobody around here knows about them.

 

http://www.b20vtec.com/frontpage.html. go to life of the b20 vtec. that is first hand on the life of them. also remember that this is a VERY built motor with really high compression. i wouldnt run anywehre in the 12:1 cr range. im gonna build b20vtec w/ a 11.5:1 cr or so on stock sleeves. maybe even .020 over bore. and yes, $1500 is very possible. look for deals on b20B's. i remember seeing a bare b20 go for $80 w/main caps. yes, it would be a lot more work, but hey, at least you dont have worry about the old parts going bad (ie water pump, oil pump, etc etc). and i would suggest doing everything urself, save u a grip of money. it also depends on how mild or wild you wanna get. i've been researching night and day for the past few weeks and i've learned a lot about them. btw, check out this link, this was the deciding factor that made me want to build b20 vtec. http://www.importreview.com check out the 2.0 section. everyone always says ls vtec blah blah blah. but b20 vtec is cheaper it from looking at those results, more effective. good luck and let us know what you decide

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dcb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.b20vtec.com/frontpage.html. go to life of the b20 vtec. that is first hand on the life of them. also remember that this is a VERY built motor with really high compression. i wouldnt run anywehre in the 12:1 cr range. im gonna build b20vtec w/ a 11.5:1 cr or so on stock sleeves. maybe even .020 over bore. and yes, $1500 is very possible. look for deals on b20B's. i remember seeing a bare b20 go for $80 w/main caps. yes, it would be a lot more work, but hey, at least you dont have worry about the old parts going bad (ie water pump, oil pump, etc etc). and i would suggest doing everything urself, save u a grip of money. it also depends on how mild or wild you wanna get. i've been researching night and day for the past few weeks and i've learned a lot about them. btw, check out this link, this was the deciding factor that made me want to build b20 vtec. http://www.importreview.com check out the 2.0 section. everyone always says ls vtec blah blah blah. but b20 vtec is cheaper it from looking at those results, more effective. good luck and let us know what you decide </TD></TR></TABLE>

Niiiice! Thanks man!

Can somebody get rid of his trial user status??

 

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oops my fault i didn't see anywhere in his post mentioning the b16. and yeah good call on that site

 

well if you have the head and trans. And you have the b16 in your car then you musy have eerything neccasary to put it in yor car then hell yes it is do-able! I just pick a b20b block up for 100 so build with the extra cash!

 

where in Ohio can you find a B18C for $500-700? I live in equally craptastic Tennessee and would like to get my hands on a B18C for $700.