i blew my turbo motor b16 on friday. it still runs and everything but valve cover blows smoke and oil and i get lots of white smoke out exhaust. so i think its ring lands. i am going for a buget build up but i need advice. i dont want to spens to much$$$ so i wanted to keep head stock and go with forged SRP pistons 9:1 and forged eagle rods. i got a price for $650 us for rods and pistons. what im asking is:

- will i be ok with just rods, pistons, & arp head studs

- do i need to use a block guard?

- can i use stock rings and head gasket

- how much boost, whp and quarter mile times can i expect ( car is 89 si hatch)W 90 ls tranny

-my management on my t3 is vafc, 450s dsm, 12:1 fmu and 190 lph pump

thanx boyz

 

is $650 a good price

 

b

 

i'd reccomend another piston other than SRP and save for management/tuning, thats prolly why it blew.

 

whats wrong with srp?
i could also get je pistons but i heard they expand when warm and slap and make noise. i dont got much money

 

Hate to say it but i called it in your previous post. I would go with cp pistons. Engine management is more important than getting fantastic internals. You can have a bullitproof (or atleast one thinks) and with poor management it will go boom just as fast as a stock motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94gsr4dr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hate to say it but i called it in your previous post. I would go with cp pistons. Engine management is more important than getting fantastic internals. You can have a bullitproof (or atleast one thinks) and with poor management it will go boom just as fast as a stock motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
couldnt be more right

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i blew my turbo motor b16 on friday. it still runs and everything but valve cover blows smoke and oil and i get lots of white smoke out exhaust. so i think its ring lands. i am going for a buget build up but i need advice. i dont want to spens to much$$$ so i wanted to keep head stock and go with forged SRP pistons 9:1 and forged eagle rods. i got a price for $650 us for rods and pistons. what im asking is:

- will i be ok with just rods, pistons, & arp head studs

- do i need to use a block guard?

- can i use stock rings and head gasket

- how much boost, whp and quarter mile times can i expect ( car is 89 si hatch)W 90 ls tranny

-my management on my t3 is vafc, 450s dsm, 12:1 fmu and 190 lph pump

thanx boyz </TD></TR></TABLE>

Invest some money in your tuning. It may not seem important rite now (it should though) but it really is. Depending on your turbo 12psi is fine on your engine (trust me I run it )...

Anyways yes Iwould recomend a stock head gasket and stock rings. I don't know to much about pistone because I'm still searching for my next set..(building my engine)....So i'm learning as i go.
How much power are you looking to make? What size of turbo do you have?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
-my management on my t3 is vafc, 450s dsm, 12:1 fmu and 190 lph pump

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I would do something about this, im going to be running the hack until i toast my bottem end, but because of the timing issues this could be a good reason why you toasted you ring lands. (uberdata and the best part is its free)

 

i think its .48 a/r. it s the turbo off the murkur xrti or something. its also off ford t bird.

 

yeah u called it


pooface

 

i got your im, i cant replie to them because im a trial user, search uberdata, its a program where you can modifiy stock ecu code and burn it to a chip kinda like hondata but absolutly free

 

i wish i could keep my management. if i take my car to get tuned right after the build will i be ok with my loser management????

 

i wanna make 300 to 350+ horses. i mean i want as much as i can get with 450 injectors.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i wanna make 300 to 350+ horses. i mean i want as much as i can get with 450 injectors.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good luck, Invest in your tuning before you try making that kind of power.
450's will max out at about 300whp....

 

id be happy with 300 whp. i figure it would take a lot more to break ring lands on forged pistons and the rods are much stronger. i just want a realiable, fast 270+ hp motor. i id hopefully like to keep my management if i could. i just wanna hurry up and pull my motor, build it and throw it back in with out it blowing. i didnt get my car dyno tuned before i blew it , i was just so excited. but the more i break the more i learn i guess. so my setup with a good dyno tune should be alright? what should i expect

 

Detonation will kill any piston forged or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16ahybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Good luck, Invest in your tuning before you try making that kind of power.
450's will max out at about 300whp....</TD></TR></TABLE>

very untrue... my last setup made around 350 to the wheels and i STILL was not maxing out my 440 injectors.... 300-350whp i think you could easily get away with a stock block setup... i ran a 100% stock gsr motor w/ apr headbolts on a vafc hack(tuned very well) fmu and 440 venom injectors... 350whp and could have piloted my heavy dc4 into the 11s... invest in TUNING... it is the KEY

oh yeah 12.5 psi

 

will uberdata work with pr3 obd0 ecu?
whats the cheapest hondata i could get?

 

thank you for an actual use ful post

 

can u answer some of the unanswered questions in the previous posts

 

bmp

 

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fullracegsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">very untrue... my last setup made around 350 to the wheels and i STILL was not maxing out my 440 injectors.... 300-350whp i think you could easily get away with a stock block setup... i ran a 100% stock gsr motor w/ apr headbolts on a vafc hack(tuned very well) fmu and 440 venom injectors... 350whp and could have piloted my heavy dc4 into the 11s... invest in TUNING... it is the KEY

oh yeah 12.5 psi </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats because your were using a fmu. Hell I made 230whp on 310cc injectors...would i recomend that on just v-afc and 310's ..NO but 310's fmu and v-afc yeah it's fine.
Once you add a rising rate fuel pressure regulator it's a whole new ball game.
Let me Clarify this for ya.
Reasonable fuel pressure (static of about 40psi and about 50 under full boost) 450's will max out at about 300whp and ABOUT 85% duty cycle, Add a fmu (along with higher fuel pressures you can run more.
It's common knowledge that you can run more hp with higher fuel pressure on a given set of injectors. 300 whp is a number for reasonable fuel pressures. Jack it up to 100psi then sure you can run 400whp, thats not wat I was speaking of.
Every rule has it's exception and in this case fuel pressure is it.
So yeah add a fmu 350whp hell 400whp is atainable.....how long who knows...

BTW I ran a fmu with a sfc and 310s' for about 2 years with NO problems, I would recomend it fr any budget set-up it worked wonders for me and I was happy with it, but I' also 1000 x's happier with my hondata set-up. Sure it costs a little more but the power and driveability is well worth the $500 investment.....I'll let my track number speak for themself.......


Modified by b16ahybrid at 7:38 PM 4/25/2004

 

nice post. 9:1 compress should be more forgiving then stock b16 compress espiciall w/ forged pistons,rods