I have a 99 ek hatch back and recently went from turbo, to N/A and am wondering about what would be faster for overall performance. I compete in solo2 in my area, and participate in lapping/drag events throughout the year. Currently my b18c1 finished getting built up with:
-11.5:1 forged 81.5mm probe pistons with milled head (about 12:1 compression)
-CTR cams, and ITR valvetrain
-skunk2 intake manifold
-ported/polished head
-dsm 450cc injectors
-CAI
-rotating asssembly fully balanced
-12lb flywheel, ctr crank pully
-dc jdm 4-1 header
-2.5" high-flow cat with 5zigen fireball exhaust
-custom chipped p28(able to tune like hondata) w/vafc for vtec control

I know it's the age old question, but what numbers do you think this motor will pull? It feels a lot faster than back in the day when it was a stock gs-r. Would it be worth it to sell it off and get a h22a with a few bolt-on's? What would be faster around the track/drag racing? The suspension issues with the h22a I can handle with my coilovers/sway bars.

Thanks for the responses.

Modified by mctonyb at 3:30 PM 4/22/2004


Modified by mctonyb at 3:30 PM 4/22/2004

 

I wouldn't recommend a H22A if you are planning to do any lapping or auto-x. The H22A is a heavier motor than the B18C, so your car will have a heavy weight bias to the front. This is not desirable for overall handling of the car.
With your B19C1, you also have more redline to play with, which is a good thing for lapping. As for power output my guess would be mid 190whp range with good tuning.

 

Isn't the h22a only marginally (about 50lbs) heavier than my gs-r? This could be compensated with battery relocation/spring rates could it not? About the redline, you're definately right there, but wouldn't the h22a's higher torque be helpful out on the track?

 

Although the H22A is only marginally heavier, but you can definitely feel it, especially in a hatchback. It's also the way the H22A motor is tilted inside the engine bay. A B18C tilts backwards while the H22A tilts forwards, making it nose heavy. This really compromises the overall handling of the car. I think H22a is a great idea for pure drag race setup, but for auto-x or lapping, it's not too desirable IMO.

 

id keep the engine you have. sounds pretty quick to me. for what you pay for a h22 you could rebuild you b18 for less and have a brand new motor. thats me though.

if you really want more torque, relseeve you gsr to 85mm and get new pistons. for more displacement get an ls crank/rods too.

 

if there was a stronger support for Honda swaps in my area, I would definetly go H22!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mctonyb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't the h22a only marginally (about 50lbs) heavier than my gs-r? This could be compensated with battery relocation/spring rates could it not? About the redline, you're definately right there, but wouldn't the h22a's higher torque be helpful out on the track?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, it is more the H22A transmission than the motor that is heavier than its B18C counterpart.

 

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Actually, it is more the H22A transmission than the motor that is heavier than its B18C counterpart.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see. Thanks for the responses everybody. I'm going to hit the dyno with my motor and see what it puts out. It feels strong, but not crazy or anything. Maybe I'm just used to the turbo. I really like the h22a's stock power, and with mild bolt-on's it could put down some good numbers. That's why I'm contimplating it.

 

sorry to bring up an old thread but i was searching for information on swapping an h22a into an integra and can't find what im looking for. I was wondering if anyone has done this swap and if its a pain in the ***. I hear both ways but haven't heard anything from anyone with experience. thank yuo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by green_GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Although the H22A is only marginally heavier, but you can definitely feel it, especially in a hatchback. It's also the way the H22A motor is tilted inside the engine bay. A B18C tilts backwards while the H22A tilts forwards, making it nose heavy. This really compromises the overall handling of the car. I think H22a is a great idea for pure drag race setup, but for auto-x or lapping, it's not too desirable IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>


ummm??? forgive me if im wrong.. but isnt that the other way around.. i have an h22a (its going in my accord) and if u look at the overall design of the block/head from a side angle.. u'll notice that its designed to sit backwards.. its the b-series motors that sit straight up.. or atleast more towards the front than an h22a..
it makes more sense that way.. those smart japanese guys must have thought of this.. thats because when u see h23's and h22a's u'll notice that sit BACK in the bay.. most likely to make the cars its in less nose heavy.. and if ppl think im wrong.. i have a side pick of my block/head to show you.. plus i know 100% that the drivers side engine mount is tilted back!