Setup one:
240Whp All Motor
Fidanza 8lbs Flywheel
ATS 5.06 Final Drive
Quaife LSD

Setup Two:
280Whp Turbo
Quaife LSD

Integra DC2 with K24. I'm stuck between N/A and Turbo.

 

I'd go NA. No lag, super power - 240whp NA = super nice.
Plus with that flywheel, LSD and crazy final drive, wow.

 

Here is what took me to doubts.


RSX-S 202whp with flywheel, lsd and final drive = 13.6s
RSX-S 270whp with 8psi Turbo = 12.7s

<-- wonders what 240whp n/a can do...

 

240 NA will be faster I believe. Probably depends on which turbo you are running. 200WHP is pretty sick IMO, and 240WHP must be insane.

EDIT: I didnt read completely and I cant speel.

 

It isnt fast if its blown up either

 

thats right

 

Gearing makes a big difference! What would your top speed be with that ATS on the K series tranny?

 

~130mph

 

are we talking about 1/4 mile here or overall?

curious on why only 280whp turbo while you listed 240whp n/a? 280whp is easily achievable on turbo'ed stock block gsrs, id imagine you can squeeze out ALOT more with a k24.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 12 oz. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are we talking about 1/4 mile here or overall?

curious on why only 280whp turbo while you listed 240whp n/a? 280whp is easily achievable on turbo'ed stock block gsrs, id imagine you can squeeze out ALOT more with a k24.</TD></TR></TABLE>

240Whp NA shall cost you close to 270-280Whp FI.

 

This is impossible to answer without a dyno to show the torque and power curves...this is pointless without the details...

 

Why is that? Because peak horsepower numbers mean NOTHING....N-O-T-H-I-N-G...they are just for bragging rights...they hold no water...

A 220 whp n/a car can EASILY be faster than a 275 whp turbo car....it's all about the power curve...this is a question a newB would ask...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Justin Klemgold &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why is that? Because peak horsepower numbers mean NOTHING....N-O-T-H-I-N-G...they are just for bragging rights...they hold no water...

A 220 whp n/a car can EASILY be faster than a 275 whp turbo car....it's all about the power curve...this is a question a newB would ask...</TD></TR></TABLE>

thank you for clearing my doubts Arnold.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alberto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thank you for clearing my doubts Arnold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No problem NewB.

 

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No problem NewB.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can be sure everybody know feels free to ask question to Mr. Arnold. Good job!

 

280 &gt; 240whp.. hp is hp.. as for turbo vs n/a - you can very much avoid lag at 280whp with the right sized turbocharger.. you should also have more torque with turdblow

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec.dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">280 &gt; 240whp.. hp is hp.. as for turbo vs n/a - you can very much avoid lag at 280whp with the right sized turbocharger.. you should also have more torque with turdblow</TD></TR></TABLE>

The main concern that I have is the use of light flywheel as well as an ats final drive, but these two are not recommended for FI applications and I DO want them on my car. I'll go N/A and we'll see what happens.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alberto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The main concern that I have is the use of light flywheel as well as an ats final drive, but these two are not recommended for FI applications and I DO want them on my car. I'll go N/A and we'll see what happens.
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lgiht flywheels are fine with boost.. final drive will benefit just like it will n/a setup. you don't want longer gearing with any type of setup.. k series seem to have better potentials n/a.. but you'll also have more potentials boosting.. if you can afford bosot and whatever trouble comes with it.. then go for it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alberto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The main concern that I have is the use of light flywheel as well as an ats final drive, but these two are not recommended for FI applications and I DO want them on my car. I'll go N/A and we'll see what happens.
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why...why are light flywheels and better gearing not recommended for a car.... i dont care if a hamster is powering the thing, you should definately know this is a rumor, and you need to definately understand how cars work better...

not saying i know a whole shitload either, but this is just plain physics...

its like the stunna rumor going around about "too light" of a flywheel.

 

This debate was raging in the tech forum recently. I maintain that a turbo car with a properly sized turbo will <u>kill</u> a na car of similar peak hp levels.

 

Due to what? Torque...correct.

All I was stressing was to stop looking at the peak hp/torque numbers and focus on the shape of the powerband and the area under the powercurve. You can't post a question like this without knowing the details...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Justin Klemgold &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Due to what? Torque...correct.

All I was stressing was to stop looking at the peak hp/torque numbers and focus on the shape of the powerband and the area under the powercurve. You can't post a question like this without knowing the details...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Grow up and stop asking like you know everything. The idea of a forum is to share knowledge, not critizise somebody else's quest for such. That's what gets me mad.

 

Everything I stated was a fact...if you can't take that I'm right, that's not my problem.

 

Justin is trying to be helpful. If you continue to hold that the higher peak number is faster you won't learn anything. The curves are the important part, they allow you to evalutate the performance of the car much much better. For all we know the NA setup could have power from 3-10k and the boosted jumps to peak power for 1k rpms.... it would be ungodly slow until that point.

Questions like this are basically e-racing, you can't figure any of it out without alot more details or just going ahead and building both.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Justin is trying to be helpful. If you continue to hold that the higher peak number is faster you won't learn anything. The curves are the important part, they allow you to evalutate the performance of the car much much better. For all we know the NA setup could have power from 3-10k and the boosted jumps to peak power for 1k rpms.... it would be ungodly slow until that point.

Questions like this are basically e-racing, you can't figure any of it out without alot more details or just going ahead and building both.</TD></TR></TABLE>
But Dave!!! Paper racers rock!