I'm trying to get my gf a 4th gen civic or crx and I keep seeing a bunch w/ 4spds... thus the std model (right?).

I was wondering what the downsides were of these? If all goes as plans when she's done w/ the car it'll be mine. So would I run into problems w/ suspension or engine swaps? Just the things that wouldn't need to be done if I was doing the same work on any other model civic/crx.

Also, any downsides that my gf may encounter when driving the car? Like is having the 4spd that much worse than having the 5spd? I assume there are more differences than just the tranny, right?

any input would be appreciated, thanks!

 

STD = No sunroof, ps, pb, sunroof, a/c, gutless motor(they all are), no tilt steering, Vynil(horrible sp) interior, no center gearshift and E-brake cover. Too much to list.

Good gas mileage though.

 

The STD is the bare bones Civic model. Doesn't even have a passenger side view mirror. This is all good, because its usually the lightest model Civic of that year. If you're planning on doing a swap in the future, theres a bit more wiring involved. You must convert to MPFI to do almost any swap, which isn't hard, but still a pain.

No downsides really, except for the 70hp.

 

My STD had A/C, and it has power brakes.

 

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mine had a/c in it...
e-brake cover........
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Some are wierd like that. Either way, it's still got a 4-speed.

 

the hubs are gay

 

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To do any swap you must covert the hubs and change to mpfi. If planning on keeping it stock its awesome on gas mileage and insurance. Only having 4 gears blows thou.

 

i love my std its light gets realy good gas mileage (even better if you swap in a 5spd) its just a plain old base the only thing i hate is those damn black bumpers they fade and look like crap

 

For the Std models.

I drive a 1988 Honda CRX DX. I got Power brakes, E brake cover and it gets good gas MPG =P Plus it weighs in @ 2150 lbs which isnt too bad.

 

you dont need to swap out the hubs if you use a dx or si tranny (obviously you have to run a d-series then though......but it is a swap) i am using standard axles in my std with an si tranny and a dohc zc

 

thanks for the input guys, i did some searching too.

I found that for me the std just isn't what i need. I like that its bare bones, and the mpfi conversion is no problem.... but the suspenion/hub differences are a hassle, since I'd be swapping in a b series. That plus the fact that the dx has a bit more hp and a 5spd... I just don't see it worthwhile getting the std over the dx, at least not in my situation.

thanks for your input!

 

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so am i, using std axles here with a d16a6 and si tranny with some work

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91IntegGS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for the input guys, i did some searching too.

I found that for me the std just isn't what i need. I like that its bare bones, and the mpfi conversion is no problem.... but the suspenion/hub differences are a hassle, since I'd be swapping in a b series. That plus the fact that the dx has a bit more hp and a 5spd... I just don't see it worthwhile getting the std over the dx, at least not in my situation.

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if you are swapping in a B series why would the DX having more hp matter and the 5spd. maybe the 5spd because you could get about 100 bucks or so for it but if you are swapping the motor why does the DX motor even matter if it runs much less if it has more hp. No one wants a DX motor really so the value of it is basically worthless unless you plan on using it yourself.

 

I have a std. its light weight compared to dx and si's they don't have sway bars either, even thought its not really a "standard" because the suspension was fully rebuilt and i mean fully bushing, hardware, springs, struts, sways-bars, strut-bars. and full Dohc ZC swap and 96 prelude seats, gsr console, si door panels. I guess you could say its in std. denial. hehe

 

mine had a total of 3 ashtrays......... but no cup holders LOL
now i installed the dc2 center console so i now have cup holders
still, the car is light as hell and decent

 

it doesnt really matter casue by the time ur done modding the car its at the weight of a dx

 

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Not quite. It still doesn't have a few things that the DX has (like a passenger side mirror and rear wiper). As for other downsides, keep in mind that you can always swap stuff over from higher trim Civics or CRXs. For instance, the better seats from higher trim Civics fit, as does the instrument panel with the tach. Overall, I think STD HBs are great for their low price, easy availability, and light weight.

 

i agree as i have one and am getting a second. yeah the hub situation sucks, but if ur modding it why care, u can get si or da hub setups for cheap. and yeah just get parts from every other car. get the si seats, rear hatch, cargo cover, sway bar setups. the crx si rear disc setup, u can mod in a 94-01 integra cluster, a 94+ center console. u can do so much and make it ur own, and by starting cheaper.
my .02

 

you read that wrong.....

I was trying to say:
-it is more of a hassle to swap a b series engine into a std than into any other model (hubs...)
then, in addition to that....since it will be driven as is for quite awhile before it gets a swap....
-the dx and other models have more hp
-the dx and other modesl have a 5spd
and since the price difference for the car itself most likely isn't that great, its not worth it to get a std now when I can wait a week or two, spend around the same $$ and get a car that will be better now (no swap) and not be such a hassle when it comes time for a swap

thats all i was swaying

 

std are rated at 70 hp but when you drop a 5 speed in a 4sp standard it runs just like a DX