I just picked up a 1993 Honda Prelude SI, it is silver, absolutely untouched interior, there is not one flaw with it. The engine is not the stock motor, the guy who had it before bought it blown, he replaced it with what he said " I ordered complete japanese take out 2.2L from california " now I have not called the company yet that he got it from to ask them exactly what it is, ( the guy who put in the engine doesnt know squat about mods or swaps ) all he told me was that he can burn out in 2nd and 3rd gear and the front ends tourque lifts the front end up on take off, ( reffering to a tiny jump that tourque would cause ) and said " it is supposed to have more HP then the 2.3L I took out " so the people I told the same thing too are thinking its an H22 motor which would be a SWEET unexpected surprise. but anyways, the engine is guaranteed to have under 60,000 miles on it, and the only thing wrong with the car are scratches, and 2-3 tiny dings amongst the body, I plan on doing the engine work on it first, the car itself was $5,000. but here are my plans, I just would like to know if there is something that I should change in your guys opinion to make it better or a different mod. I need all your feedback.

Tanabe Exhaust system: ( which one )
Hyper Medalion
Racing Medalion
G Power Medalion

AEM Intake:
AEM Cold air intake/cold air induction

DC Headers ( Stainless Steel ):
DC Sports 4-2-1 Polished Stainless Steel Header System

APEXi V-AFC:
V-AFC II

AEM Fuel rail w/DSM 450cc Injectors:
AEM High Volume Fuel Rail 25-104
DSM 450cc injectors

ACT Stage 3 Clutch:
ACT Clutch

ACT Light weight flywheel:
ACT Light weight flywheel

Skunk2 Cam gears:
Skunk2 2.2L DOHC VTEC Cam gears

Skunk2 Cams:

I am told with these mods I should be producing about 250HP to the wheels, Let me know ALL your thoughts, am I making mistakes ??? etc

 

on the passenger side of the engine when you look at it, there should be a H22 lettering engraved to the block.

As for the mods, hmm, damn i don't know what to tell you. SEARCH on each item's power gain and do the math.

 

I have a nice ACT HA3-XTSS clutch for sale. Send me an email to turbopreludesi@aol.com if you are interested, it was used for 8k miles.

Also, there is no way you are going to get 250whp NA with a v-afc. You'll need a nice stand alone and a LOT of internal work. You might get lucky and hit 195-200whp with the set-up you have described already.

 

open the hood, does it say VTEC on the valve cover?


dc header

 

Well I think I will be putting out more HP then 195-200HP to the wheels considering if this is actually an H22 then that is what it puts out bone stock. I am going to try and load the pic of the engine right now but I dont know if it will work. Nope it didnt work, but like I said if it is the H22 it will be putting out for then the stock HP on that motor... I am predicting about 250HP to the wheels

 

hey, you have goals and you like the car, but the H22 puts down 156whp with 130 something tq to the wheels, so do the math.

SEARCH, it can all happen, but those mods will not do it YET!

 

Like ludeR917 said if you pop the hood you should see the BIG VTEC stamped on that bad boy. Most VTEC engines have it stamped on there, and if you drive past a certain rpm and you suddenly feel the car pull a little more then you have VTEC my friend. Also check the block ID to be positive about it.

 

The is NO VTEC on the head, I think I am **** out of luck on this one, I have no clue what it could be though, and the previous owner doesnt either, he has not given me the number yet to call the people in cali so I think I am lost... I am thinking maybe this isnt going to be enough power once I am done with the list I posted of mods. I may need a car with more power but if I do ditch this prelude quick then I have $5000-6000 to spend on something else, do you think this will be adequit power? with that list because that as far as funds go is going to tap me pretty good for a while, I am hopping to have the engine work done by the summer. But if it is not an H22 then I am not going to be putting out the same amount of HP as I would like, I want at leaste 250HP dynoed to the wheels, but what other cars would you recommend that has status but are in that price range, I mean hell if I am only putting out 200HP with those mods then I would get my *** whooped by a stock GT or GTS eclipse, no thanks but I only have a max of $6000 to spend on the car and I want to keep the engine mods at $3,000.00 or less. Im needing help right about now I am a little disapointed. I just wish I could afford a Gen5 Lude and put my $3g's into that and make 250 but I cant I only have a MAX of $6000 for the car itself, Id like to spend $5,000 though

 

Good luck w/the Lude & watch out for Maine Winters & rust it will be your worst enemy!!

Like others said it should read "VTEC" in big letters - if not its prob not an H22 but check for the stamp on the block.

If its not an H22 it might be the JDM equivalent to an H23 which I think is a variant of the F22 engine that puts out power similar to the USDM H23 found in US Ludes which is decent but not an H22.

As far as the engine putting down 190-200 to the WHEELS STOCK. - its actually measured at the flywheel or atleast somewhere b4 the wheels so you are actually looking at more like 160-170hp @ the wheels (depending on if its a USDM H22A1 or JDM H22A).

So you are more likely to acheive 200WHP w/the mods you listed rather than upwards of 250WHP.

BUT here's the good news...an S2000 rated @ 240hp actually is closer to 200 @ the wheels - so if you reach 200WHP its still very respectable out of an NA 2.2 4-banger.

Hope you ejoy your Lude my fellow Maine-iac!

 

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AEM High Volume Fuel Rail 25-104
DSM 450cc injectors </TD></TR></TABLE>

Most likely not needed for your set up. Dont' bother adding more fuel unless your running lean, because your only going to hurt your power. Preludes like to run rich from the factory, often too rich, and your only going to make it more so. Get on a dyno with a wide band o2 sensor hooked up. Do go adding more fuel unless your know for a fact that you need to. **If you go with turbo then never mind what I just said, because then you need more fuel.

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Mugen, hytech, or SMS 4-2-1 SS header's will make more power, but also cost the big bucks, so it's up to U.



Modified by 577HondaPrelude at 10:27 AM 4/8/2004

 

Yeh, haha, but one big thing that I have thought about now is... should I keep it? I had higher hopes for my budget as far as what I could beat for stock cars. I wouldnt want to worry about Gt and GTS eclipses, 3000Gts, Stock Prelude Gen5's GST,GSX (stockers), A4's, Talon TSI (stocks) Stock Maxima, Sentra SE-R, and SAAB 9-3s....... I dont want to get beat by a stock car when almost $3g's into the engine. It would be embarassing to have that happen, especially a V6 accord bone stock, now that would SUCK, what should I do !?!?!

 

a 4th Gen VTEC (92/93-&gt;96) keeps up w/stock turbo Eclipses...

I believe the magazine (if forget which) rated the 1995-ish Eclipse (GST/GSX?) (I dont know which gen.) @ 0-60 in 6.5 vs 4th gen VTEC 0-60 in 6.7...also aI think the same magazine listed the 0-100mph of the Lude FASTER than that of the same Eclipse.

ALSO if you do NOT have an H22 VTEC - then you are lookin @ a lower compression engine better for boost and w/$3 grand you could probably get a decent turbo kit but I'm no expert on Turbos....oh and that would probably you AT LEAST 200 to 225 if not 250WHP or higher to the wheels (depending on many diff things).

 

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1st thing you should do is stop street "racing". It's really lame, and moronic.

 

If I just used that money for a turbo kit, the car would be naked besides the kit, which would suck, I mean a turbo kit car with no aftermarket intake, exhaust etc etc, I would rather have no boost and stick with the set up I have now because that will be taken care of and then if I put a turbo kit in after that I should be making close to 300Hp... in my ideal world where money was not an issue and I had this car, I would do the set up I listed, then after that I would do internals which would set me back at leaste $5k and then the turbo kit for about $3k, we are talking almost 400HP to the wheels with that I believe, now that would be absouletly NASTY, I would love it... but that would also mean that I would have spent $5k on the car, 3k on the set up mods, 5k on internals, and another 3 for the turbo kit... so we are looking at a car that is in 1993 condition, no exterior mods, no rims, no new paint, nothing... that would have a crazy engine in it and that total set up will cost me $16,000 and then I would decide to do the sleeper look and keep the cosmetics to nice nice rims, lowering, 20% tint, and new paint, and extreme detailing of the engine and car throughout, so add another $3,000.00... so for $19,000 total ( not counting wrench time on things I couldnt do myself ) I would have a 400HP Lude that was clean and hot. BUT,,, and I say BUT, once internals are installed, it takes alot of the ablitity to use the car as a daily driver.

 

First off before you start to spend money decide what you want to do with your car, daily driven, track, drag, etc...don't spend money unless you have a plan, because in the end you wide up wasting money, I know because I have done it, but now I have a plan and I'm sticking with it. You bought the car and now considering selling it looks like you don't know what you want. First research a lot on different possiblities, and even other cars if you think the Prelude is not the right one for you. Personally if you want a fast street car just get a hatch with a motor and then you basically beating those stock cars, but like others have said before the Prelude has lots of possiblites but you have to have a plan, time, and money to invest like any other hobby modifying cars isn't cheap just thought this might help you out.

 

DEFINATELY PLAN like just said -research on this site.

Well I wouldnt throw $19G's into it too quick...

But for $5-10 G's you SHOULD be able to get a 300-400WHP+ build engine w/Turbo. (ask "PRECISION H23" & "XES" and check out the dyno thread)

If you DONT have an H22 - you probably DONT want to go all motor - thus don't bother getting a header & intake & cams....the turbo kit should replace the need for those. Then just get an exaust - lower it & throw on some light weight $500 Rotas/5Zigens etc. Rims & call it a day.

 

If you are that worried about spending money and "racing people and winning".... sell the damn prelude. Buy an old *** hatch or something for less than 2000. Do a motor swap, boost the **** out of it, maybe a paintjob and have fun watching people eat your **** all day.

 

WORST THREAD EVER

please visit http://WWW.HOWSTUFFWORKS.COM and search for 'earth'

 

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hahahahahaha

 

first, try finding out what kind of engine you have. second, search for info buddy. there are many options; engine swap, turbo, or nitrous.

 

Wow. You have no clue... first you want to buy DC header and tanabe catback and all this crap that will be junk when you go turbo? You need to buckle down, do a ton of reading, post relevant questions, and SIMMA ON DOWN.

Or, just do what you are doin and make a ton of expensive and disappointing mistakes. Your thread is basically asking all the members of honda-tech to boil down a recipe of cheap and effective mods. There is no such thing. Nobody will help you without YOU knowing what you got and what YOUR goals are. 250 WHP NA H22 with those mods is the funniest thing I have heard yet.....

If you are just looking to roast people at stoplights (which is about as fun as sprinting blindly through a mall full of people), get an El Camino and build that... Cheaper, less reading to do....

SEARCH... and

Good luck.

 

well, how about a bike? That should do it, because i sense you want to be billy badass on the street. The prelude is not your gsx beater thing, ok. The prelude is a car which you need to learn to work with, not your everyday civic or integra...this car is different, rare and most of all eye-catching.

You are pretty young and are look for the speed thrill, that comes to an end. I was in the same situation, money spent and no results. I'd say stick with what you got, LEARN IT, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, then start adding mods THAT WILL YIELD THE PROPOSED RESULT.

I kinda got tired of hearing the same old **** of i don't like this car anymore, and this and that, honestly, why buy a car that you don't like anymore?

You sound like a scam to me my friend.

just to help, this is an h22a4, but from the top of the engine it is an h22, NOT an h23 non-vtec.
So, do the following:




Now, this is what you should look at, and right away you'll know whether you have a turbo, nitrous or n/a bitch project:



and this is the stamped code on the block:


You see i am being nice and an *******, but like i said, MAKE UP YOUR MIND yo!!!





Modified by naujcdl at 6:33 PM 4/8/2004

 

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Tanabe Exhaust system: ( which one )
Hyper Medalion
Racing Medalion
G Power Medalion

AEM Intake:
AEM Cold air intake/cold air induction

DC Headers ( Stainless Steel ):
DC Sports 4-2-1 Polished Stainless Steel Header System

APEXi V-AFC:
V-AFC II

AEM Fuel rail w/DSM 450cc Injectors:
AEM High Volume Fuel Rail 25-104
DSM 450cc injectors

ACT Stage 3 Clutch:
ACT Clutch

ACT Light weight flywheel:
ACT Light weight flywheel

Skunk2 Cam gears:
Skunk2 2.2L DOHC VTEC Cam gears

Skunk2 Cams:

I am told with these mods I should be producing about 250HP to the wheels, Let me know ALL your thoughts, am I making mistakes ??? etc </TD></TR></TABLE>

go with a different header and forget about injectors for now
if you're staying n/a

it will take a LOT more than 3K to achieve 250 whp n/a

 

Before you deciede to keep it or dump it, what engine is actually in there. Like everyone said, what is stamped on the engine. Then you can go from there.