i have this really bad noise coming from my block, and my mech says it is my balancer shaft not sure if it is the front or the rear anyhow i want to know if i remove the belt how will my oil pump still pump, i hear about people taking off there belts or takin them out completely but what runs the oil pump. i have a94 jdm h22a and i have changed the timing belt yet and i dont really know what to expect when i take the covers off and not sure how to properly take it off. my main ? here is if i take the belt off how will the oil pump still work or if i was to plug them how would it still work. hope someone can help me

 

The oil pump is run off the timing belt, the balancer belt just goes to the crankshaft pulley and can safely be removed to give the crank less resistance, how much horsepower gained? I would say maybe a few.

 

well im not to worried about horsepower i just want my car back on the road without that banging noise when i rev. just to clarify it is the belt that goes from the crack to the pulley on the front and the one to the rear right. does anyone have pictures of it by chance?

 

dude do not cut corners and fix the problem

 

i would but i cant afford to dig in my block so i need to do it like this till i rebuild and stoke it. this way no rotation no noise

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h2point2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well im not to worried about horsepower i just want my car back on the road without that banging noise when i rev. just to clarify it is the belt that goes from the crack to the pulley on the front and the one to the rear right. does anyone have pictures of it by chance?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya the belt forms a crushed triangle formation and sits infront of the timing belt.

 

its the belt that doesnt go over your cam gears... its also on the outside of the timing belt.

BEFORE you do that
try this


Jack car up.
Take tire off
Look up under right above the crank
There is a 14mm bolt sticking out just above the ps belt and crank pulley
Use a SHALLOW socket or dog bone and loosen that bolt, then tighten it back.

That allows the tension to be relieved on the balancer belt and then tightens back up. If your going to take the thing off try this first. When i did my timing/balancer belt change on my h22 when i swapped it a couple weeks ago. This was too tight and made an aweful racket.

BUT DO AT YOUR OWN RISK =] but i don't think it will do any harm. It got rid of my noise at idle. (a high pitched sqwack)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TraKtioN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The oil pump is run off the timing belt, the balancer belt just goes to the crankshaft pulley and can safely be removed to give the crank less resistance, how much horsepower gained? I would say maybe a few.</TD></TR></TABLE>

or he could look at my dyno in the essential links where I tested balancer shaft removal and know for sure.

 

well it is now 10 in the morning and im about to go at it gotta drop the engine down a bit since it is in a 90 accord.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

or he could look at my dyno in the essential links where I tested balancer shaft removal and know for sure. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually thats where I'm geting those figures from, I'm glad someone put all those 20hp gain rumors to rest, thanks.

 

Crate, that noise you had, was it like a high pitched whine, that would fluctuate when you stepped on the gas and let it rev up and down a bit?

Is there a seperate adjustment for the balancer belt tension from the timing belt?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94vtecmn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crate, that noise you had, was it like a high pitched whine, that would fluctuate when you stepped on the gas and let it rev up and down a bit?

Is there a seperate adjustment for the balancer belt tension from the timing belt? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Same adjustment nut

 

So if you loosen that and retighten it, aren't you possibly leaving your timing belt too loose???

 

it sounds like a throwout bearing gone bad in the block, when i rev it clanks not whine just pap pap pap pap as i rev doesnt matter if its in gear or not, the flywheel and clutch are tight i thought it was my throwout bearing so i had it replaced and we checked everything then realized it is in the block!

is there a easy way to get that damn crank pulley bolt off, i dont have axs to air tools and my car is just on jack stands. oil pan is off also

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94vtecmn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if you loosen that and retighten it, aren't you possibly leaving your timing belt too loose???</TD></TR></TABLE>

your supposed to loosen it a full turn then move the crank about half a turn and then retighten the nut, this tightens the adjuster.

About the crank pulley bolt your going to need a serious air impact wrench or use a breaker bar with extensions and the "honda/acura pulley holder" to keep the crank still while your torquing it off. You can find the tool for about 50 bucks. Dont try buying an electric impact, not gonna work.


Modified by TraKtioN at 7:49 PM 4/2/2004

 

Well, if you can stop the transmission from turning somehow, leave it in gear, and then get a big breaker bar, or a 1/2 drive ratchet, with a long pipe on the end for leverage, and just start leaning on it. Don't bang it, just lean on it, and if you have enough leverage with a long handled breaker bar or pipe, it will come off. It is tightend to 182 lb/ft., or at least it is suppose to be.

 

Sweet, thanks for the info.

 

i still have yet to get that damn thing off ive tried everything but the honda acura pulley remover, i cant find a good way to stop the crack from moving. now just to clarify something i thought the rear balance shaft was in some way connected to the oil pump so if i remove the balance shaft belt which runs both front and rear wont it kill the oil pump or is it really off the timing belt and not the balance shaft belt

 

Read the first reply in this thread.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h2point2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i still have yet to get that damn thing off ive tried everything but the honda acura pulley remover, i cant find a good way to stop the crack from moving. now just to clarify something i thought the rear balance shaft was in some way connected to the oil pump so if i remove the balance shaft belt which runs both front and rear wont it kill the oil pump or is it really off the timing belt and not the balance shaft belt</TD></TR></TABLE>No you won't kill the oil pump.

 

heh you have to spell it out for them

 

heh im not a newb i would just like to make sure so thank you for the help. im gonna try the air gun again tomorrow if not i will take it to speedline to get them to get the crank pully off seems how it is a 90 accord with the h22a so there isnt that much room in there to even get the honda acura pulley remover in there thank you for all the info i appreciate it i do