If (note: IF) there were an Improved Touring class in the Southeast Division SCCA that allowed cars like Hybrids and Type Rs to compete under IT rules, would you race there?

No details. Just a "run what you brung" type of class where weight is based on displacement. Limit would be 2.0 liters, safety items would be the same as required in all IT classes.
This would be kind of an "under" class in relation to ITE. Kind of like SPO and SPU.

Please only respond if you are in the area or close to it (Homestead to VIR) and are currently a racer or will definitely be one within the next year or so. If you live in San Diego and hope to someday race your pimp daddy ride after you graduate, thats great, but I'm not really interested.

TIA

 

hmm.. very interesting, and could be an attractive alternative to sitting at home when other sanctions aren't racing. I would at least think about it.

 

The "RS" class in NW region is very much like what you are describing and it seems to fill a popular niche. Sounds like an interesting idea and it would not surprise me if there weren't an untapped market there...

K

 

Yes, hopefully the WDCR region would consider this since they did away with the SPU and SPO classes.

 

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Sorry Scott. I'm obviously not in the area, but I wanted to reply to Kirk.

The one big sticky point in the RS rules that doesn't allow most popular hybrids, is you must have a factory shop manual that shows the engine is a option for your car. This means no 2-cam motors in Civics that came with a single cam. Other than that, the RS rules allow a ton of really cool stuff. I believe Scott R. is (or was) on the RS rules committee and may be a better source for accurate info.

$.02

 

That's a bummer. I guess that I didn't know that but it seems contrary to the vision of the very first set of RS rules that NWR instituted back in the late '80s.

K

 

A couple of things...

1. No, this isn't an April Fools joke.

2. A reminder that even if you have a NASA, EMRA, etc. race license, you'll have to do at least one SCCA school. SCCA does not recognize those licenses.

 

Yes....I'm in!

 

Yea sounds good, but I think you will have a limited group. ITS is already very expensive, so I'm not sure how many are willing to spend even more. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong though, and it would be fun building a few of those cars.

 

i dont see the difference between this an SP/U O. Please explain if there is a major one?

I would like to see a class that lets everyone run! Then i wouldnt have to worry about owning the "right car"

 

Sounds cool!

 

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Really? You're being serious?
And you know the rules for SP and IT?

Well...
Slicks
Lexan
Carbon Fiber or Fiberglass body panels
Unlimited motor
Unlimited tranny
Unlimited suspension
fuel cell
fire system
unlimited cages

I could go on, but hopefully you have gotten it by now.
I wonder about you sometimes.

 

I like the fact that the class is set up where the person with the most money doesn't always win. It takes talent. Now, if you could ratio this fact (talent/money), the ratio will be a lot less with open rules like what you are suggesting.

Would I run it? Probably yes.

Would I be driving my ITA CRX as currently configured to IT specs? Probably Not. I would more likely run it with a hybrid car too.

 

[Edit] Never mind...

 

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Really? You're being serious?
And you know the rules for SP and IT?

Well...
Slicks
Lexan
Carbon Fiber or Fiberglass body panels
Unlimited motor
Unlimited tranny
Unlimited suspension
fuel cell
fire system
unlimited cages

I could go on, but hopefully you have gotten it by now.
I wonder about you sometimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Aaaah ok..
Im building an SPU car.. I know a little.. I thought you were proposing an open class. But it seems now that its open only in terms of the engine you run..

Does the engine have to keep IT specs? so a type R motor for instance couldnt have a set of cams, but it could be bored .40 over?

 

i'd be interested

 

umm....am i allowed to say i would in a public forum since i am a dye hard honda-challenge dude??? summit holy cow...it is just too far to drive....10 hours....ohhh my....i'm down for southeast stuff...

 

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Sorry Scott. I'm obviously not in the area, but I wanted to reply to Kirk.

The one big sticky point in the RS rules that doesn't allow most popular hybrids, is you must have a factory shop manual that shows the engine is a option for your car. This means no 2-cam motors in Civics that came with a single cam. Other than that, the RS rules allow a ton of really cool stuff. I believe Scott R. is (or was) on the RS rules committee and may be a better source for accurate info.

$.02
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then i'll bring a japanesse manuel!

 

Does the engine have to keep IT specs? so a type R motor for instance couldnt have a set of cams, but it could be bored .40 over?



No details.


Reeding is fuundemintal.

 

I would but good luck on getting the comp board to approve that one. That is one of the problems with IT right now. ITS which runs some pretty good lap times, you have to run a high $$ car (maybe a bimmerworld $45K car) to be competitive. ITA is more reasonable and people are migrating to it but they have the cars so stinkin heavy under the rules when most folks can strip down the car a lot lower than the GCR specifies so then the weight comes back on "creatively". Why have all that stinking weight? I have a buddy building an ITA BMW and he could get it down about 300lbs. below what the GCR says. They raised the weight on the spec miatas significantly (IMO) this year. Isn't that the wrong way to go? Now you let hybrids run in a 1800lb. chassis and it will be outrunning the ITS cars. Probably the next thing is the "money" shows up in that class and outspends you to mid-pack or worse. Policing a hybrid class would be interesting in the tech shed.
Barry H.

 

Since Kirk and Johng brought it up, here is link to ICSCC (formerly Oregon Region) Radial Sedan rules. Page down to section 1310, pages 10-13, http://www.icscc.com/rules/CR_04_sec13.pdf
For what it is worth, the rules package works and many different makes can be competitive. Locally, I think the rules will be revised to allow hybrids in the next year or two, which would also help the "little engined" 510's and toiletas.

Rick

 

C'mon guys. Really.
Don't make it harder than it is.

Barry,
1. Its not a national proposal (thus the "Southeast Only" reference in the first post).
2. No details have been given, so who says an 1800lb chassis will be legal?
3. Cost is the problem of the builder and not my concern. If you want to build a $45000 Honda Civic... Hey, have fun. If you want to build a $10000 Honda Civic there's already a class called ITC for you.
4. Policing wouldn't be any harder than current IT cars. You ASSUME that a driver has the correct motor in the car NOW (in ITS,A,B,C,) when he rolls over the scales. If someone assumes he doesn't, checks get written and parts start coming off. The new proposed class would be no different.
5. This is a class for cars currently assumed to be too fast for IT and thus not classified (Hybrids, ITRs, E30 M3s). I would therefore hope that some of them would be faster than ITS.

Again, its in the early stages of proposal and there are no details as of yet. The question is simply "If they build it will you come?"
So far it looks like 6 people have said yes or maybe. Thats a decent start.

 

Yes, I'm in!!!

 

I've been mulling over the jump to W2W with my hatchcrap as I'm already planning on caging it in the next couple of months for use in HPDE's. I'd be interested in having a class like this to run in in the SE... the idea of running H1 in the HC is cool but all the tracks are a hella long way from FL

Christian- who can hear the call of the GFCP all the way across the Atlantic...

 

I would definitely be interested in this, I was actually planning on finishing my car for W2W early next year and would love to have a class that I could be a little more competitive in other than SPU.