I have an lsvtec setup that Ron Bergenholtz installed in my DA back in June 03'. Well it busted and my car got pretty hot while driving on the street. I wasn't boosting or anything just driving normal. I shut the car off when car wouldn't cool down even running the heater full blast and spraying water on the radiator from the windshield wiper resevior I rigged up with misters. After the car cooled down while parked I opened up the hood and noticed steam spraying out from under the intake manifold and fuel rail. So what other coolant lines could it be besides the ones from the heater core, then I remembered how he did that waterneck. He cut a coolant line hose cut off and plugged up with silicone and tied it with worm gear clamp. At the time I thought it seemed like a micky mouse way to do it. I was right. Yeah, it pisses me off, especially trusting someone that's been in the scene so long.
Does anyone know what block doesn't have that line off the waterneck? Is there a block where that waterneck is sealed off. Otherwise where is that line supposed to connect to? If not I'll have to remove the waterneck and weld some sheet metal over the hole or thread a plug into it. I'm 95 percent sure it's coming from that. I have another b16a shortblock with the waterneck on it. Will that one fit on the b18a1 after I weld that line shut?


Modified by calib17a at 11:27 PM 3/30/2004


Modified by calib17a at 11:29 PM 3/30/2004


Modified by calib17a at 4:49 AM 4/28/2004

 

Sorry I cant help you, hopefully someone else will be able to! Bump for a HT member in need! BTW I would call the builder up and see what he has to say!

Blaze

 

Thanks for your reply. Does anyone know what that coolant line off the waterneck (pipe behind the block that circulates coolant) is supposed to be connected to? Or is it supposed to be blocked off. I have seen some pics of that outlet on the waterneck welded sealed. Is it because the lsvtec combination doesn't need it? I'm just going to remove the pipe and have that welded sealed, then reinstall it.

 

Here's some pics of the waterneck (if that's what it's called):

See how it was jimmy rigged.

What's this supposed to be connected to. Is it supposed to be sealed off in an lsvtec?

 

I believe it goes to the firewall that lead into the heater core.

 

Does anyone know if it has to be sealed off or connected. If it goes to the fire wall that means there should be an open hose fitting on the firewall, right?

 

If it is supposed to to go the heater core, and is not connected then it should be sealed off. I thought you said that you were running the heater though

Were you getting heat?

 

check the firewall for opening. It should have 2 opening. One opening that has a cable connected to it for temperature control purposes from your heater core.

 

I believe 93 ls block doesn't have that big fitting.

 

These are the heater core hoses, so it's not those.

I definitely did get heat when heater was on.
See the threaded opening in the middle of the pic. Maybe there's supposed to be some kind of sensor connected to this and it could be a hose connected to that sensor?

 

I found this, zip tied to a wire loom not connected to anything. Is this the knock sensor? Looks like it's supposed to fit into that threaded opening. I tried to screw it in but it doesn't clear the bracket for the rear engine mount as you can see to the left of the opening in the previous pic.

 

In the previous pic of the water pipe, I have the pipe flipped around. The large opening's supposed to go to that engine oil cooler, which I do not have. The smaller one's connects to the idle air control valve. Do you think I need that engine oil cooler for now? I do plan on getting an oil cooler. I either get the engine oil cooler or weld it sealed. On the diagram I don't see where the oil comes in and out. That sensor fit right into that threaded hole. I just had to grind a little off the engine mount bracket for it to clear. I believe that's the knock sensor.

Modified by calib17a at 3:43 AM 3/31/2004


Modified by calib17a at 4:50 AM 4/28/2004

 

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Rob

 

That waterneck your talking about should only have one exist on it. And that exist is for the idle control thing on the back of your intake mainfold near your throttlebody. That other line was welded on by someone else aside from Ron Bergenholtz because as you can see it was blocked off by him. Just use a better hose clamp and tighen it back down again. I see nothing wrong with that. As for your turbo install, did he say this was a turn key situation or did you give him parts and he put it together? If everything else works well and the car goes in and outta boost properly then I would say he did his job. It just looks to me like you need better fans on your ride and your good to go. Heres a pic of the back of my old setup with my B18A motor. I think your more frustrated then anything else, but I don't see negligence on Ron's behalf.

 

silicone inside a hose, with a worm drive clamp on it. YEAH!

at LEAST JB weld it, c'mon!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MIKES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That waterneck your talking about should only have one exist on it. And that exist is for the idle control thing on the back of your intake mainfold near your throttlebody. That other line was welded on by someone else aside from Ron Bergenholtz because as you can see it was blocked off by him. Just use a better hose clamp and tighen it back down again. I see nothing wrong with that. As for your turbo install, did he say this was a turn key situation or did you give him parts and he put it together? If everything else works well and the car goes in and outta boost properly then I would say he did his job. It just looks to me like you need better fans on your ride and your good to go. Heres a pic of the back of my old setup with my B18A motor. I think your more frustrated then anything else, but I don't see negligence on Ron's behalf.
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Basically, all he did was do a motor swap. The block was sleeved, decked, cylinders honed, and align bored by Vince @ Golden Eagle. Vince also installed the pistons, rods, assembled the bottom end. Ron removed the b17a short block out of my 93 gsr, installed the built b18a1 block, b17a head, ls tranny. On the way home picking the car up after the install, the car overheated and had blue white smoke billowing out of the exhaust half way home. I didn't drive it back because they were already closed. I had to tow it back and Ron told me you need to get a fluidyne radiator and an electric water pump from Golden Eagle. As I drove off with blue/white smoke and still overheating, I took it to a reputable shop close to his shop and by hearing the symptoms and doing a couple tests they asked me if there was a pcv valve on the breather box. I drove to the dealer and bought one, installed it when I got home the overheating and blue/white smoke out of exhaust stopped. It was causing blowby past the rings, degrading the octane level in the gas, and making combustion temperatures go up. After the install there were several oil leaks, from the return line, one from the vtec solenoid gasket, and also the oil pan gasket, Earl's AN fittings were used throughout, oil pan and gasket were new from the dealer. He also didn't connect the knock sensor and the oil temp sensor. Just by the way he plugged up the connecting pipe line, it looks like his interest wasn't in the quality of his work but seems more like he did it the easiest way. Sure didn't hold up to the pressure and heat of the cooling system. Seems like he just wanted to get my car out and get my money, and of course on the reciept he wrote no warranty. It's been months since, no follow up call, basically didn't give a crap of how it turned out. I had been driving it for a few months now with stock radiator and stock water pump without any overheating until the plug on the connecting pipe burst. Please, what kind of job do you think he did? I thought I had no worries when I chose him to do the job. Yeah right!

 

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I believe this goes to the water neck on the head. Atleast on my GS-R head that is where it goes. There should be a similiar looking barb comoing off of the water neck sitting at a 90' going toward the firewall. HTH

-Ryan

 

Guys, guys, guys.......

That is the water/water oil cooler on the B16's. The oil cooler on B16s is similar to Golden Eagle sandwich between the block and the oil filter.

One of those necks delivers the coolant to the oil cooler, the other neck is where the coolant returns to the system after cooling the oil.

Go to Honda and get the cooler and the 2 hoses. Cheapo insurance.

 

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You mean on some b18c. If I remember, I have never seen a factory oil cooler for b16.

 

I have a 96 gsr. My water neck look exactly the same like the picture above.
I also have a 93 ls block. It doesn't have the big barb on the water neck but only one small barb.




Modified by porsche997 at 11:30 PM 3/31/2004

 

My bad. I just looked at the pic again and realized it was a bigger barb. The one that I quoted earlier goes to the oil cooler.

-Ryan

 

The original pipe was from the b17a block. I ended up getting a new pipe for 93 b18a1 block from the dealer. It didn't have that large outlet just the small one. I installed it today and seemed to fix the overheating problem. I also reconnected the knock sensor to that threaded hole after I dremeled the rear engine mount bracket. Thanks to all you guys who responded to my thread. HT continues to be invaluable source beyond any books or magazines because here members pool together and solve various problems out through thier own experiences and knowledge (tear in my eye). I will do the same.

 

 

Yes I totally agree with you on this one. Now that I have heard the whole story it definately looks like it was a slam bam thank you mam job. Sorry to hear that bro. I figured Ron would be a stand up guy because of his history in the import craze. That is the main reason I do all my work, the only things I out source are welding of downpipes and o2 bungs. That way the only finger I have to point at is myself. Glad to hear you got things rectified, now run back to Ron's shop and lanuch a brick through his window (j/k April fools) But seriously let him see you face to face and let him know how disappointed you are in his workmanship, because his workmanship has nothing to do with warrantee. Its about safety and reliabilty

 

Exactly, let him know what you did to fix the problem and what you found that caused the problem...Let him know that you expected better from him and that you are disappointed in this "old school" tuner who didn't take the time to do it right the first time...He could've easily gotten a Tee, some coolant hose and 2 more hose clamps and just tee'd the lines to another coolant hose...Charged you another $20 and it wouldv'e prevented this...I really can't believe that he would tell you to get a Fluidyne and an Electric Water Pump to fix this...Thats just a straight up bold face LIE...I'm sure he would've been happy to sell you those parts as well...


He should be embarrassed to have this thread written up on HT and I'm sure he will kick himself for blowing you off like this...

Good Job Ron, I'm sure your sponsors will be proud