A friend and I are having a dispute over which would win. The scenario is that same car, same driver, same everything besides one car is 250hp all motor and one car is turbo. Which car would win on the track.

edit: by track i meant drag track sorry...


Modified by xsists at 7:05 PM 3/31/2004

 

me and him have been debating this, and i said NA cuz of high revvin and other factors like traction capabiltiy over Turbo

 

the better driver will win

 

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turbo has the better end of traction he can just boost low in first gear then hit high boost in second.

but if all were the same NA would win cause it would be lighter no turbo, no IC and no IC pipeing

 

I say NA, because like it was mentioned it would be lighter.

 

Too many variables to just say one or the other would win. If we are talking about two identical cars (less turbo set up) with the same drivers, then I would say na.

 

the all motor car would kill that car. (from expereince seeing a 260 whp all motor car beating a 600 whp turbo car)

the all motor car does not have that big of a deal with traction problems amd power is alot more linear on the side of being ligher to some extent ( not all that much) a turbo car power can depend on the turbos compressor layout and how much air it can flow and and how effectively it can get the power to the ground, gearing, tire size. etc. to many variables in the turbo car but the all motor car revs it's lil heart out and stays in a power band, this can vary on a turbo car.

man this thread is goiong to start a war ( hehe this is where honda-tech will shine)

 

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Damn is there a video of Jerry's race?

 

all motor would win because it's just so much cooler
but anyways, yep linear power and less traction problems

 

The all-motor car would most likely win..given that all other variables were equal.

 

I'd win...


Seriously...
I'm thinking NA.
No lag, less weight, no heat problems, etc. etc.

 

Considering everything is the same including weight, I'd vote for the turbo. If you imagine a dyno chart for a 250hp NA and a 250hp turbo, you'll see that the turbo has a huge midrange while the NA only peaks to 250hp at the very top.

 

theres no way the weights would be the same unless you gutted one and not the other, and this would be unfair advantage to the ungutted one. So if you are trying to be as realistic as possible, which is hard because there are so many factors, the N/A car would win because of weight, but the N/A guy would have a lot more money into his set up

 

It depends a lot on what motor and car you are talking about. If you mean something like a B18C, then the na motor will make it's power in the 7-11k band and the turbo will have a flat torque curve from around 4k to 8+. Either one could be faster depending on how well setup each one is. If traction is the limit, the na is generally easier to to deal with given the more linear nature of the powerband.

 

um who ever who had more torque?

 

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the all motor car does not have that big of a deal with traction problems amd power is alot more linear on the side of being ligher to some extent ( not all that much) a turbo car power can depend on the turbos compressor layout and how much air it can flow and and how effectively it can get the power to the ground, gearing, tire size. etc. to many variables in the turbo car but the all motor car revs it's lil heart out and stays in a power band, this can vary on a turbo car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like the above quote, too many variables. Depends on the driver and also the TRACK. Depends also on the setup of the car and the tyres also.

Drag racing : 80% turbo will win

Track racing : with a lot of laps and a longer track, 80% N/A will win cause the wear and tear turbo does to the engine, car, engine oil, brakes, chassis and tyres is greater than N/A. And the driver of the turbo car also has to care about traction control and the stuff stated above, this causes the driver to wear down. The longer the duration of the race, the more advantage is on N/A. Have you guys seen a NSX fighting a Skyline on a track? NSX winning Skyline by almost 3 seconds on a 5 lap race.

 

There are too many variables. Each have different powerbands and torque figures, as well as weight differences. My vote in a 1/4 drag, two Civics one N/A one FI.. The N/A would have a slight advantage, from roll is a different ball game.

 

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Have you guys seen a NSX fighting a Skyline on a track? NSX winning Skyline by almost 3 seconds on a 5 lap race.
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Is that the Best Motoring NSX Race where the new NSX-R starts from the back of the pack, pick up 3 places out of 6 within the first lap, takes the skyline r34 gtr on the 2nd lap then just continues to increase the lead till the 5 laps are over?

Thats a good vid!

 

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exactly, this is why turbo would win with given scenario (same car, driver, except turbo vs n/a)

 

The all motor will need race gas because of the comp. and the turbo car would not

 

if cars are exacly the same besides the motor set up, then all motor every time.

 

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what you said here is true ,I agree with you on from a roll ,40mph-60mph I think the turbo car would win.... by the way I think who ever has the most torque, which has me leaning towards the turboed car , just my .2 cents

 

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Is that the Best Motoring NSX Race where the new NSX-R starts from the back of the pack, pick up 3 places out of 6 within the first lap, takes the skyline r34 gtr on the 2nd lap then just continues to increase the lead till the 5 laps are over?

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you got that clip or video?

 

dude this always seems to get a big arguement out of everyone. All motor would win if like stated above it is 250 hp turbo and 250 all motor. same everything.
1. powerband is much smoother
2. no lag
3. when full boost hits traction is a bitch i know first hand cuz i have a friend with a 450hp integra that got beat by a 238 hp lsvtec
in the end it all depends on what u want, track=all motor highway fun=turbo