Im debating on which route to go for a built H22,

Precision SC61


http://www.precisionte.com/sportcompact.php

or the

Garret T3/GT35 "Blowzila"

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/t3b.html

Id like to know which of these 2 would be a better choice for a 90% street, 10% strip built H22.

Which of the 2 has...

Better Spool time?

More power potential?

Id just like to know the advantages and disadvanteges of both.

 

i would like to know also...im debating between these 2 turbos also.bump

 

You also have the option of Innovative turbos, check the sponsers forum in FI

also do a search on those turbos, lots of info on them.

 

the new innovative GT35/SC61 killer is the winner!

camp1320 has them....and spark racing

thats what i'm gonna go with....same specs as the GT35e and teh SC61...but with an even better exahust side and iconel wheels!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ej6andslow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the new innovative GT35/SC61 killer is the winner!
thats what i'm gonna go with....same specs as the GT35e and teh SC61...but with an even better exahust side and iconel wheels!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I love Innovative, BUT I think that naming their turbos (wether it be the distributors or the vendors themselves which I doubt) the "SC61 killer" is REALLY lame. And how can they share the same specs as the GT35E and SC61 if they both have different turbine wheels . . . and how is their exhaust side different or better than Precision. I'm not siding with either just looking for facts and explanations

 

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"SC61 killer" is REALLY lame. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed. It's fairly known in marketing that bashing another companies products does not give you an advantage. It makes you come accross as the "catch up" player in the game, as well as an *******.

 

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Well, since Precision cut Camp1320 off from whoring out their product hes been pushing innovative. A couple of months ago that guy was hyping precision like no tomorrow, now innovative. Sell what ya sell I guess.

 

the name...no idea...i was kinda wondering about that myself

but i'm still gonna try it out I think. I mean...if it's better...it's better. I have a gt35 SC61 I can test it side by side with...ON my car...so I'll REALLY know...if i ever get to the point of odering a turbo

 

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Agreed. It's fairly known in marketing that bashing another companies products does not give you an advantage. It makes you come accross as the "catch up" player in the game, as well as an *******. </TD></TR></TABLE>

And it's also "known" in marketing that naming a product is a crap shoot (unless you have access to marketing research groups).
Innovative is a great company and the idea that they need to "catch up" is absurd. Also, I don't believe it's an attempt to "bash" as it is a way to announce exactly what this turbo is made for

I know of well known race team that made the switch from one unit (that will remain nameless ) to the same sized Innovative/Borg Warner and picked up an extra 150whp to the wheels.

I personally want to switch but am contractually obligated to run what I have to

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by int3gra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You also have the option of Innovative turbos, check the sponsers forum in FI

also do a search on those turbos, lots of info on them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I must be blind cause I am searching like crazy and can't find anything on innovative's site or in the sponsor forum on this SC61 killer turbo. Can you help a brother?

 

*waits for art and direp to post*

 

Very informative post. Did you type this all by yourself?

 

I have an AGP RS65 turbo which They list as the following:

The ultimate power potential in a bolt-on configuration. Full boost can be seen a little over 4000rpm, and enough compressor flow to shread transmission parts with ease.

-65 lb/min compressor
-56 trim GT40 compressor wheel
-76 trim T350 turbine wheel
-T04E (3" inlet, 2" outlet)

 

I would get it just for the name "blowzilla"

 

here you go dude:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=797650

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=741252
sorry it was actually in the Performance section for some reason.

 

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And it's also "known" in marketing that naming a product is a crap shoot (unless you have access to marketing research groups).
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It might just be me, but naming a turbo "the SC61 killer" is a definete attack on precision's product.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Innovative is a great company and the idea that they need to "catch up" is absurd. Also, I don't believe it's an attempt to "bash" as it is a way to announce exactly what this turbo is made for
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They are a great company. I've never said that they wern't. They are currently the only other company that holds patents a dual ball bearing center section other than Garret. However, They ARE playing catch up. In the sport compact turbo market, the SC61 owns all right now. To be competetive, they are producing the turbo of the same specs with they're name on it. With the name "SC61 killer" it would be obvious to anyone that they are infact playing catch up.

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I know of well known race team that made the switch from one unit (that will remain nameless ) to the same sized Innovative/Borg Warner and picked up an extra 150whp to the wheels.
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That means nothing without at LEAST a dyno graph comparison.

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I personally want to switch but am contractually obligated to run what I have to
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Good for you...

 

For the dude that said Innovative and Precision are all hype . . . either you were born and raised in a cave or you're sadly misinformed.

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Dude they delete stuff for sale related sometimes from Camp but not informative Innovative stuff just cuz it's Innovative . . . saying that is absurd. Camp gets a but it's just unfortunate not enough people are checking out ITS so we can get a REAL good comparison. Someone bring on some good FACTUAL innnovative specs as I'm sure people would like to know. And to supragirl - why are most of the quickest forced induction Mustangs and Camaros running Precision turbos ? ? ?

 

they offer the 106mm turbo, that's why

but what about the y2k from Turbonetics?? a LOT of the fastest muffstanks run them too.


and a lot of Camp's post were changed from what he really posted

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ej6andslow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they offer the 106mm turbo, that's why

but what about the y2k from Turbonetics?? a LOT of the fastest muffstanks run them too.


and a lot of Camp's post were changed from what he really posted</TD></TR></TABLE>

What the hell does that have to do with anything? No ones saying Precision is the ONE and ONLY. If you think that, your mind is living inside a box.

 

it's called wheel design you n00b

 

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that is what i was refering to

not you bryson

 

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Please show me a dyno graph that would make me even come close to believing that a precision/innovative turbo will do anything to help spool, top end, or max whp compared to a T3/t04e and ill be happy to renounce my opinion. Until then, i still say they are hype.</TD></TR></TABLE>

81.5mm LS/VTEC T3/SC61 @20psi


84.5mm GSR with T3/SC61 @24psi (courtesy Hybrid901):


GSR with T3/SC61 (courtesy TurboTegB18C)
363whp/257tq 14-15psi (93 octane)
459whp/326tq 21-22psi


When you say "T3/TO4E" that includes the SC61... . You might want to rethink that statement.



Modified by Bryson at 10:59 PM 3/27/2004

 

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GSR with T3/SC61 (courtesy TurboTegB18C)
363whp/257tq 14-15psi (93 octane)
459whp/326tq 21-22psi
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Turbodcx made 351Whp/251WTQ@16Psi with a Blowzilla on a D16Z6!

 

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Turbodcx made 351Whp/251WTQ@16Psi with a Blowzilla on a D16Z6! </TD></TR></TABLE>

WERD...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ej6andslow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they offer the 106mm turbo, that's why

but what about the y2k from Turbonetics?? a LOT of the fastest muffstanks run them too.
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If ITS doesnt offer any big guy turbos in their line up, then I'll retrack that statement . . . I just know that in most of the domestic mags that I've seen in the last year or two that the vast majority were definately running P.T.E. turbos.