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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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I just bough an auto-meter air fuel guage for future use in my turbo set up, and i have been hearing alot of ****.
I heard from quite a few people that they arnt accurate at all, but then again some other people said they are......fact or fiction??
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 03:18 PM
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Nothing that uses the stock O2 sensor is going to be anything worth a **** really. To actually get something useful other than a pretty light show you'll need to step up to a wideband O2 (and you'll probably want an EGT gauge as well).

I have an autometer A/F gauge in my turbo'ed coupe and the only thing it's really good for is impressing my friends and getting them to ask me what it's for (there's a story I've told a million times... "you see, in an internal combustion engine, there's this thing called fuel, and this thing called air... blah blah blah")
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 03:18 PM
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i believe the accurate are the ones that go with a wideband O2 sensor. without it you end up with a nice light show.

also, using an A/f gauge like that one is kind of misleading, becaus the computer cycles the fuel mixture rich/lean for cat. efficiency. you dont really get a true measure of the A/F ratio unless something is grossly wrong, like a cracked manifold, leaky fuel injector etc.

-Chris


EDIT: wow, i got beat too.
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 03:19 PM
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the air fuel gauge is useless without a wideband o2 sensor, reason being is that an regualar O2 sensor isnt accurate it just tells the computer:

Hey im rich
or Hey im Lean
ect

A wide band says to the computer,
Hey 12:1
hey 16:1

an EGT guage would help out better

edit: damn yall fast, i thought i was gonna be first
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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Go Apex'i EGT - very accurate...
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alloutmotor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">reason being is that an regualar O2 sensor isnt accurate it </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually it's very accurate in the narrow a/f range it is designed to operate in.
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chiovnidca &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually it's very accurate in the narrow a/f range it is designed to operate in. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Which is about 1/5th of the total spectrum.
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 04:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Which is about 1/5th of the total spectrum. </TD></TR></TABLE>
It's alot less than that I think.
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 04:28 PM
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The stock o2 sensor that a regular A/F guage utilizes is a narrowband sensor. It only has a range of 0-1 volts. Basically it was only engineered to tell you if the engine is running at stoichiometric conditions (14.7:1). This Stoich level isn't even what you would tune a boosted or nitrous car for, this would only apply to an N/A tune.

A wideband o2 can read from 0-5 volts and gives a much more accurate reading. This is engineered to be accurate and read air/fuel at different levels than stoich (rich or lean).

In other words, air/fuel guages are pretty much useless and don't really work. Check into the AEM Wideband o2 guage. It's a little more pricey (about $440), but it actually works.
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 04:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chiovnidca &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's alot less than that I think. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's either 1/5 or 1/6. I read all about WB02s before I bought mine. I can't remember what site it explained it all either..damn...
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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 04:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's either 1/5 or 1/6. I read all about WB02s before I bought mine. I can't remember what site it explained it all either..damn...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Based on the post that I just made above about narrowband being 0-1 volt and wideband being 0-5 volt, I guess you could kind of say it is 1/5th accurate.
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