what is your input on this? a lot of people bash on people that have harnesses with bucket seats (race seats) without rollcages. is there a reason why? lets say you have the quick release, i mean its just as easy to take off your seatbelt comparted to the harness.

 

because if you have no cage, in case you car ever flip and you're stuck inside a bucket with a 5 point, you're head will be crumbled.

 

so how does ahving a harness bar help???
also can u use a b pillar bar as a harness bar???

 

Yes this i want to know??

 

why do you need a harness anyway? just so you can look cool i bet.
if you don't need a cage, you don't need a harness.

if you don't have one, if you roll you'll get decapitated. also if you don't have a cage to mount the shoulder harness too, your spine will get crushed. yay.

get a cage or at very very least a roll bar, or continue using your seatbelt which i bet can restrain you just fine. a guy up the street has a 5 pt harness and no cage, with the shoulders mounted to the floorboard. he looks cool around town though

i also am a fan of those geniuses who replace their airbag with a tight jdm steering wheel, without having a harness and cage. darwin comes to mind...

don't be stupid.

 

This is the way i see it.

1. Harness with no rollbar - Possible broken neck.
2. Harness with rollbar and helmet - Safe
3. Rollbar with no harness or helmet - Cracked scull
4. Rollbar with helmet no harness - Pretty safe
5. Rollbar with harness no helmet - Stupid

Out of the 5 combo listed above i would only use #s 2 and 4. Notice both require a helmet.

 

....and if you dont usually track your car, dont even worry about the harness and cage. roll cage without a helmet is also somewhat dangerous.

edit: mantic just explained it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jwn7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why do you need a harness anyway? just so you can look cool i bet.
if you don't need a cage, you don't need a harness.

if you don't have one, if you roll you'll get decapitated. also if you don't have a cage to mount the shoulder harness too, your spine will get crushed. yay.

get a cage or at very very least a roll bar, or continue using your seatbelt which i bet can restrain you just fine. a guy up the street has a 5 pt harness and no cage, with the shoulders mounted to the floorboard. he looks cool around town though

i also am a fan of those geniuses who replace their airbag with a tight jdm steering wheel, without having a harness and cage. darwin comes to mind...

don't be stupid. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Typically answer.
Not really giving much other than stating "it's not good" to another level.

Here's why you don't:
If you crash and flip you could get stuck in your car without a roll cage. Imagine yourself upsidedown waking up from impact to feel your shoulders wanting to seperate from the force of your body weight pressing aganst on your two shoulders
Some say that if the harness is mounted ABOVE/AT shoulder length that you'll have slack to loosen yourself because then the body weight is not an isse.
I agree with that, because logically it makes sense.
But if you're upside down for any reason...I mean that can't be too smart either way...

 

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i also am a fan of those geniuses who replace their airbag with a tight jdm steering wheel, without having a harness and cage. darwin comes to mind...

don't be stupid. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Would you mind explaining what you mean by this?

 

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if you don't need a cage, you don't need a harness.

don't be stupid. </TD></TR></TABLE>

didnt need comments like this. i asked a simple questions

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i also am a fan of those geniuses who replace their airbag with a tight jdm steering wheel, without having a harness and cage. darwin comes to mind...
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what about early year cars not equipped with airbags

 

so what about getting a harness bar is this also a bad idea???

 

what would you guys say about this?

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mantic6t9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. Harness with no rollbar - Possible broken neck.
2. Harness with rollbar and helmet - Safe
3. Rollbar with no harness or helmet - Cracked scull
4. Rollbar with helmet no harness - Pretty safe
5. Rollbar with harness no helmet - Stupid

Out of the 5 combo listed above i would only use #s 2 and 4. Notice both require a helmet.

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1. Harness with no rollbar - Possible broken neck.
2. Harness with rollbar and helmet - Safe
3. Rollbar with no harness or helmet - Cracked scull
4. Rollbar with helmet no harness - Pretty safe
5. Rollbar with harness no helmet - Stupid

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Can you explain how a helmet will protect you from a broken neck?
option - 4

Also - Why is a helmet needed for a roll bar? with a harness?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mantic6t9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the way i see it.

1. Harness with no rollbar - Possible broken neck.
2. Harness with rollbar and helmet - Safe
3. Rollbar with no harness or helmet - Cracked scull
4. Rollbar with helmet no harness - Pretty safe
5. Rollbar with harness no helmet - Stupid

Out of the 5 combo listed above i would only use #s 2 and 4. Notice both require a helmet. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why would #5 be stupid??

Actually, having a rollbar without a helmet is not bad, having a roll cage without a helmet is bad.

If you are going to autox only, just getting a harness guide bar is most likely FINE. Of course, if you do roll your car over, you might run into the problem with the cabin caving in. However, chances of rolling over in an autox is pretty slim, chances of rolling over, and having your cabin completely caved in an autox event is pretty rare.

I would drive a car with harness + roll cage, without a helmet on the street without thinking twice about it.

 

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Can you explain how a helmet will protect you from a broken neck?
option - 4

Also - Why is a helmet needed for a roll bar? with a harness?</TD></TR></TABLE>

A helmet will not protect you from a broken neck. Your question about #4 is that with a rollbar, helmet, and stock seat belt you will be able to move from side to side if nessisary.

A helmet is needed with a rollbar so in the envent that you flip the car you will not crack your scull on the rollbar.

 

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Why would #5 be stupid??</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's just stupid to me epecially if this is in your daily driver. Fist off you never leave off the helment when on a track or autoX. So the only reason for this option is to be driven on the street.

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There is no difference. Perhaps you can explain this one?

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That's fine it's your opinion, I would not.

 

Well roll BARS are normally placed behind the seat, there is no way for your head to hit the bar so I see no problem with driving a roll bar equipped car on the street.

 

if it wasnt safe, would sparco sell it? "confused"

http://www.sparcousa.com/harness_bars.asp

 

if you really want to install the harness then do it man, you don't need the approval of everybody on honda-tech. You seem pretty intent on getting it so just do it. Everyone has stated their opinions and whether you choose to accept them or not is totally up to you.

On that note, I would not use a harnes with out the very least a rollbar. Do what you will

 

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http://www.sparcousa.com/harness_bars.asp</TD></TR></TABLE>

some roll bars are also not made with a harness bar, thus why you would need this product. the shoulder harnesses for a 5 point harness can be mounted no more than 4 inches below the plane of your shoulders, or you risk compressing your spine in a frontal collision and possible paralysis. im sure it comes with numerous warnings that if you do not have a roll bar that it should be used only at autocross events if you do not have a roll bar/cage, where people use 4/5 point harnesses to hold themselves more securely in the seat, so that they can concentrate better on driving, but not for increased safety.

as far as roll bars and cages in a car without a helmet, with a harness i would say that you are most likey going to be ok in most sort of collisions, if you have the appropriate distances from your head to the cage, especially in the a-pillar area, and if you have all of the parts of the cage near the driver covered in sfi padding (NOT pipe insulation).

 

i'm not sure i understand whatis bad about harnesseshere's my scenario...

i autoX my Civic and im planning to buy a set of Sprints for the front seats (ive sat in one before so i know it fits me snug at my 180lb weight so long asi don't gain or lose alot ) i was planning to get the 4PT Sparco harness for my seat which unlocks like a seat belt at the front. i figured the narness would be good to keep me planted firmly during cornering. I don't have a roll bar or cage.

how is this set-up bad for me (if so) for street use and SOLO 2 events?

 

Like i said do what you like. I've stated my OPINION and you've stated yours so there is nothing to argue about. Seems to me you already had your mind made up about this before you poseted it anyway.

 

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http://www.sparcousa.com/harness_bars.asp</TD></TR></TABLE>

Companies make and sell products where there is a market. I can tell some you think my thoughts on this subject may me a little extreme but like i said it's my personal opinion. Just add something into this to fuel the fire. Sparco also sell "racing" steering wheels. I don't think you should have one of these unless you have a harness and you know IMO you can't have a harness without all the other nessasary equipment i listed above. If you get into a head on collistion and your face manages to impact with that nice new unpaded racing wheel it's not going to be pretty. You mentioned cars without air bags, you have to remember air bags were invented to make things safer. These car were built before this time so there for are not airbag equipped. The majority of those cars atleast had padded wheels with no bare metal exposed.

 

The folllowing is an OPINION:

Personally I see nothing wrong.
A harness is safer than a seatbelt.
If a car flips and you are wearing just a seatbelt (good luck)
If a car flips and you are wearing a harness (might be a bit better)

Roll bars are good
Cages are good with helmets
Helmets are good in general