I have a show 99 Honda Accord. I wanted to do something with the motor. It is the F23A1 with 62,000 miles. I wanted to swap it with the H22A. I just dont know which one is cheap and good at the same time. This is what i found:

H22A1 2.2L USDM DOHC VTEC 92-96 Prelude VTEC 190hp
H22A4 2.2L DOHC VTEC 97-01 Prelude VTEC/SH 97-98: 195hp 99-01: 200hp
H22A 2.2L JDM DOHC VTEC 92+ Prelude Type-S, 97+ Prelude SiR S Spec 220hp
H23A1 2.3L USDM DOHC non-VTEC Prelude Si 160hp

The shop that does all the work for me said they can get the motor and computer for 1600 and if i want the tranny it would be an additional 600. They said its the 200hp one so i believe its the H22A4.

I am hoping to run either 13's or high 12's once i get the turbo or upgrade all the internals.

I was wondering what would be better and bring me up more hp:

Turbo running at 7psi intercooled

or

All new performance crank/cams/pistons/rods/rings/valves etc.

Also, if i got the turbo, what could i do in order to run more psi, like maybe around 12-15?

I appreciate all your help.


Also another quick questions, i just put in my front coilovers and every time i hit a bump, the whole front end slams down really hard. I know its not too low, i believe i did not put any rubber things inside?

Thanks a lot for your help

I also have the F23A1 motor for sale if anyone is interested.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamHyper4Mance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just dont know which one is cheap and good at the same time. </TD></TR></TABLE>

this statement is an oxymoron.

if you want 13s or 12s be prepared to spend money. hondas this fast are not show cars. given the mileage of your car i would go turbo and also assuming since this is a showcar that it is probably your second vehicle. the turbo will give the bling factor you need, plus make it fast enough to make it fun, and would make more power than an H22 with about the same money spent.

 

What if i got the swap and added a turbo onto that?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamHyper4Mance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What if i got the swap and added a turbo onto that? </TD></TR></TABLE>

That would be really cool but really expensive too. THe H22's compression ir already high so in order to run 12-15 psi on it u r gonna have to lower the compression ratio by replacing the pistons. Since the H22s are alloy internals ur gonna have to sleeve it as well to take the new pistons. Only major problem with this is if its a auto, the Honda autos cant really take that much abuse, just as many others, but if your going manual then just upgrade the clutch and u should be fine. A better built tranny also means faster times too so the the fly and all the other tranny issues must be adressed as well.

Ive seen numeruos Accord with H22 swaps and Turbo but I dont kow how fast they are, mostly show cars. They are a site to see in a Accord. It's one set up i would love to own.

 

Im dont really understand compression. I already have a centerforce stage 2 clutch and it is a manual tranny. I am swapping the tranny too though, for the prelude manual and i guess they can use my racing clutch as well. Do i have to worry about breaking axels? Do you have to take out the motor inorder to resleave it?

thanks a lot for ur help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamHyper4Mance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im dont really understand compression. I already have a centerforce stage 2 clutch and it is a manual tranny. I am swapping the tranny too though, for the prelude manual and i guess they can use my racing clutch as well. Do i have to worry about breaking axels? Do you have to take out the motor inorder to resleave it?

thanks a lot for ur help</TD></TR></TABLE>

As far as axles go, the stockers wont hold up. I dont think u HAVE to take out your engine to resleeve it but it might be easier, not sure but if your going to replace the internals you might as well and do everything at once to make it easier.

I really dont know that much about compression either but its how much pressure is being compressed within the engine. Air and fuel wise. All I really know is low compression is better for boost and high is for N/A applications. High compression is a lot of pressure put onto things and when they dont hold, things go BOOM! So upgrading internals to hold more load is what your basically doing when replacing internals.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamHyper4Mance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What if i got the swap and added a turbo onto that? </TD></TR></TABLE>

be prepared to spend at least $10K then. you don't need lower compression pistons, you can get a thicker headgasket that will lower it enough to make it safe to run 10-12psi on the h22.

i suggest you do alot more research before going any further. this is where shops will take advantage of you and sell you stuff you don't need and jack up prices cause you don't know. also, H22+ turbo accords don't last long cause the expense and trouble is not worth the results. many people end up ditching the turbo or the car within a year.

 

any turbo'ed accord will wax a H22.....period the END! a turbo kit will be the best bang for the buck. even at 7psi, expect to wax any NA HONDA/ACURA on the stock block. get a standalone engine management system..... and with a 2bar or 3bar map sensor and larger injector u can safely run 10-15psi, but thats when i would invest in a tuner to tune it.

 

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this statement is an oxymoron.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol. very funny

remember.. speed equals money.

 

H22A 2.2L JDM DOHC VTEC 92+ Prelude Type-S, 97+ Prelude SiR S Spec 220hp gets my vote....and you have to pay to be fast......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b_ron007 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any turbo'ed accord will wax a H22.....period the END! a turbo kit will be the best bang for the buck. even at 7psi, expect to wax any NA HONDA/ACURA on the stock block. get a standalone engine management system..... and with a 2bar or 3bar map sensor and larger injector u can safely run 10-15psi, but thats when i would invest in a tuner to tune it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

B_ron...no doubt your accord is probably fast but it wont wax any NA HONDA/ACURA...if so i wanna see u run a NSX and wax it. LOL

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be prepared to spend at least $10K then. you don't need lower compression pistons, you can get a thicker headgasket that will lower it enough to make it safe to run 10-12psi on the h22.
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A head gasket will not drop it enough so u can safely run 12-15psi as he wanted on a already high compression H22. Although if u have money u can do it safely if you have good tuners for your car.

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i suggest you do alot more research before going any further. this is where shops will take advantage of you and sell you stuff you don't need and jack up prices cause you don't know. also, H22+ turbo accords don't last long cause the expense and trouble is not worth the results. many people end up ditching the turbo or the car within a year. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes please follow what KG said. Do research before jumping into anything. I started reading about this stuff while I was in middle school and im 19 now. I still dont know much becuase I dont have much experience but i know not enough to be fooled by dumb shops... Research b4 buying anything.

 

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As far as axles go, the stockers wont hold up. I dont think u HAVE to take out your engine to resleeve it but it might be easier, not sure but if your going to replace the internals you might as well and do everything at once to make it easier.

I really dont know that much about compression either but its how much pressure is being compressed within the engine. Air and fuel wise. All I really know is low compression is better for boost and high is for N/A applications. High compression is a lot of pressure put onto things and when they dont hold, things go BOOM! So upgrading internals to hold more load is what your basically doing when replacing internals.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not only do you HAVE to take your engine out, you have to tear it down and fully rebuild it. Resleeving is a process wherein your cylinders have iron sleeves put into them so they can handle higher compression...it is an expensive, time consuming process.

 

go w/ the B18c1 lol

 

call this number and ask for tim and present him with all of your questions. he will answer everyone of them and if he can't he will give you the name and number of someone who can.

BASZ racing:

513-533-3456

its in ohio.

 

B18C1 better than the H22A? I would like to know why some people prefer the b18c1 since its twice as expensive, yet it has less hp and torque than the h22a. I dont get it. Lower compression?

Anyway, i think some of you guys must have missunderstood me. I am already gettin the swap.. The questions is, wheather to turbo the h22a or upgrade all the internals/port and polish?

thanks for all your help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamHyper4Mance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B18C1 better than the H22A? I would like to know why some people prefer the b18c1 since its twice as expensive, yet it has less hp and torque than the h22a. I dont get it. Lower compression?

Anyway, i think some of you guys must have missunderstood me. I am already gettin the swap.. The questions is, wheather to turbo the h22a or upgrade all the internals/port and polish?

thanks for all your help</TD></TR></TABLE>

well hp/$ is more for n/a v. turbo

either way i think your wasting your money. given your situation a turbo F23 is the best way to go.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nvmyskills &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go w/ the B18c1 lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

in a 6th gen accord. LOL

I agree, turbo the F23 and be done with it. There is plenty of potential in the F23 and it already has a lower c/r than an H22. My F23 turbo is quick and fun to drive. my $0.02

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamHyper4Mance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B18C1 better than the H22A? I would like to know why some people prefer the b18c1 since its twice as expensive, yet it has less hp and torque than the h22a. I dont get it. Lower compression?

Anyway, i think some of you guys must have missunderstood me. I am already gettin the swap.. The questions is, wheather to turbo the h22a or upgrade all the internals/port and polish?

thanks for all your help</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are saying b18c1 but i say b18c5 is better. LOL

Well they jus pokin fun at ya with the Bseries swap. If ya already gettin the H22 and cant figure if u going to boost or go all motor, i say go boost. Internals will still need some attention is boosting though. Either way is gonna require work on the internals for reliability and good power to run decent times(decent times differ from people to people).

 

yah b18c5 is better

 

bro i thinks its pointless to drop a new engine and do alot of engine work on a show car. stick wit ur F23 chrome it out get like IHE and ur set for show. i dont like the show scene. but it think its pointless to drop alotta money on engine work when u have a show car.

 

lol b18c's on 6th gen? very funny lol :D

i don't think integra engines go with accord l0l.