just wanna know what your thoughts are about taking it out. i know the itr guys loves their abs system, but then again theirs is different from the rs/ls/gsr.

 

why would u want to do taht for?

 

just wondering if i should put it back in. i took it out cause im getting the whole car repainted. so from youre reply, i take it that i should put it back in. anyone else?

 

I would. u dont nessecarily need it, but i would

 

Umm...ya

Its like asking if you should put your deck back in. You dont need it, but why would you keep it out?

If abs gets on your nervs just unplug the fuse. In either case yuou'll get an ABS light

 

i enjoy no abs on my gen 2, but it's not for everybody. Yes, ITR abs is slightly better than gs/ls/rs. But they still aren't really horrible systems. I guess it's like I heard a long time ago.
Good ABS>no ABS
Bad ABS<No ABS

 

abs is over rated....Im just saying that because I dont have it. If you have abs, there is no reason to get rid of it, unless you are a HARDCORE autoX or road racer.

 

It's a matter of personal preference. I like the abs system in the rain because I can just slam on the brakes without sliding.

 

thanks for the replies. i guesss ill be putting it back in. damn it looks ugly in the engine bay though. LOL

 

I would put it back in personally.

For the person who said it isn't necessary in "hardcore" road racing, I would beg to differ. ABS will brake better than any person in any situation, even road racing. The only reason one might think it's not good is because it might distract the driver. There was a very informative thread about it in the roadracing/autocross forum a long time ago. I'll try to find it.

This being said, I'm not sure about the differences someone mentioned between the older generation ABS systems and the new ones.

 

I beg to differ....depending on the quality of the system, the driver can do a better job. For example tegs only have a 3 sensor system...whilst higher end systems use a 4 sensor system.

Etc.

Plust I find the pulse rate on the teg is extremely slow.

 

wow, thanks for all the replies. a simple thread starting to turn into a informative thread.

 

I drive a RS model. It doesn't come with ABS. So, I say your lucky to having it in the first place. My insurance would be cheaper too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stonebub &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i enjoy no abs on my gen 2, but it's not for everybody. Yes, ITR abs is slightly better than gs/ls/rs. But they still aren't really horrible systems. I guess it's like I heard a long time ago.
Good ABS&gt;no ABS
Bad ABS&lt;No ABS</TD></TR></TABLE>

i thought ITRs came with power brakes?

 

ok, i have abs on my 93 gsr, but it doesn't work and the light isn't on. the fluid is full....any other reasons why it may not be working?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i thought ITRs came with power brakes?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

I know the 94+ gsr has a secondairy fluid resevoir in the abs pump. Did you check the fluid there too?

LOL @ power brakes. BTW allmost all cars have power brakes...hell my 89 civic dx has em. You can tell if you have power brakes by a big round cylender thing on the firewall on the drivers side. Its black and has the brake fluid resevoir attached to it.

The ITR had power brakes AND abs.

 

i agree i hate abs but i have only owned cars w/o it. Ive driven in and driven cars with it and i hate it. If you know how to use your brakes and down shirt and so on then hey cool but i dont think abs is needed no matter what the weather if you can pump your brakes and take control of any situation when driving. Those who panic end up in accidents but dont get pissed at me im just voicing my opinion.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shamoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the person who said it isn't necessary in "hardcore" road racing, I would beg to differ. ABS will brake better than any person in any situation, even road racing. The only reason one might think it's not good is because it might distract the driver. There was a very informative thread about it in the roadracing/autocross forum a long time ago. I'll try to find it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In my observations, cars with abs seem to understeer when braking into a turn or trail braking, while non-abs cars oversteer with those maneuvers. I dunno, I like my car without abs ... but then again, it never worked

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CustomTeggy44 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree i hate abs but i have only owned cars w/o it. Ive driven in and driven cars with it and i hate it. If you know how to use your brakes and down shirt and so on then hey cool but i dont think abs is needed no matter what the weather if you can pump your brakes and take control of any situation when driving. Those who panic end up in accidents but dont get pissed at me im just voicing my opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are correct, to a point. But there was a study on this. You CANNOT brake faster/harder than an ABS system. You might think you can stop faster, but you can't.

What you said about ".....if you can pump your brakes and take control...." What do you think your ABS system is doing? It's doing it much faster, and much harder.

You know what? I think I have to find the archived thread about this.

 

For our Honda, the ABS works really well on dry road. It doesn't work as good in the winter. Almost everytime ABS kicks in, it won't stop.

 

I dont have it, and I havent had any problems yet. I always keep a buslength between me and the car ahead so I never need to slam on the brakes. its all a matter of preference.

 

ok, well I am taking a brakes class at school and ABS is better for your everyday driver. However, in the winter where there is a fair amount of snow ABS is worse, because the snow piling up under the wheels of a non-ABS car would help slow the car faster. A "good" driver can actually stop a car faster than ABS on a dry road because he can bring the car closer to lock-up than the ABS system is programed. On gravel, wet, or mixed surfaces though, the ABS will stop the car faster than any driver. Most ABS systems can pulse the brakes up to 12 times per second as where some people can pulse them up to 3-5 times per second. Hope my class has helped more than just me now!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostinb20vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A "good" driver can actually stop a car faster than ABS on a dry road because he can bring the car closer to lock-up than the ABS system is programed. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong. What class are you taking that teaches you wrong information? I'm not even going to get into details. Too bad I can't find that thread.

Take an Integra RS, go 60mph, and see how long it takes to stop. Do the same with an Integra LS. Since not too many people have the option to do this and take measurements, lemme tell you the results. The LS will come to a stop in a shorter distance. Why? Not only does it weigh slightly more, but it has ABS.

Oh, but you can "pump the brakes" in an RS. So when you take your foot off the brake during your "pumping", you're making the car travel an extra 10-15 feet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shamoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The LS will come to a stop in a shorter distance. Why? Not only does it weigh slightly more, but it has ABS. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Because it weighs more? Give me a break. That totally goes against the laws of physics. In no way is having more weight an advantage in stopping faster.