reading another thread, I saw two people's avitars, and was wondering which one represents the proper line through the corkscrew, as I have never been to that track:





I suspect its the second, but I'm just curious

 

Here's my 3 pictures to illustrate,





I got many a compliment from the course workers with my line.

 

I could have been a little closer to the apex/curb but at that point I was still trying to learn the line.

 

i just try to get through the cork without spinning the car...i tried a few lines....the more i straightend the car out before going airborne and spinning the tires at 55 mphs the better it was.....

 

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i could get you some screenshots off of gt3 hehe, thats the hardest corner in the whole game

 

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disclaimer: this is my GT3 experience, never driven seca

the corkscrew is tough, but the last corner going into the finish is a lot harder for me, well, less intuitive at least.

 

I very well could have blown it as my avatar is from my 1st time at LS, but my instructor was happy w/ the way I was taking the corkscrew , and throughout the day I was making up a lot of ground on other cars through the corkscrew/rainey complex.
The following series of photos were taken throughtout the same session, but they're from several individual attempts at the corkscrew.
For me, the corkscrew is a helluva lot less intimidating than rainey, but that's just me.
BTW, Laguna Seca in the rain, is the ****!

 

heres your basic race line. whats decieving in comparing photos and videos is the difference in camera perspective. also, hpde beginner line is different than race line. this is from an actual race.
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Modified by Tyson at 1:39 PM 3/8/2004

 

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In you opinion (I'm pressuming youve got considerable experience @ LS), and bearing in mind the vantage point from which the photos were taken, how would you critique the line I'm taking?
Also, how is the race line v. the hpde line different?

 

in my opinion.....STAY OFF THE RUMBLE STRIPS at Laguna....ruffest toughest rumbles i have ever see!!!

 

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No ****. I thought I had ripped my wheel off... FIA spec rumble strips aren't kind, and very slippery in the wet.

 

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On my first lap around LS with the instructor in my car I went through the Corkscrew totally over the rumble strips and it felt like I lost the bottom of my car!!

I was so worried the first thought in my head was, "Great, I drove through 2 states to destroy my car!"

 

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I did it too!

My first lap I had no idea how to take the "Corkscrew" and totally tried to apex it early and ended up on the rumble strip. It was SCARY! I definitely thought I had damaged my bumper or underside of my S2K.

IMO, the "Corkscrew" became fun after a few lap and sessions but turns 9 and 10 really made me feel uneasy.

 

this isn't quite right, you don't want to be that far to drivers right.

IMO the corkscrew is one of the easiest corners on the track. It is intimidating and exciting the first time you turn into it but after a while it just becomes a couple of 90* corners. The turn to be careful with is 6.

Here's a video of the rain line around seca, but it also shows the turn in, apex, and track out. http://www.beesandgoats.com/skip/skip_barber.mpg The video is pretty poor quality, it came that way, so don't freak out, it's not your computer taking a dump.

 

ive never been there before, but im pretty sure thats the turn right after the corkscrew

 

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this isn't quite right, you don't want to be that far to drivers right.

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This was on a warm up lap and I was wide on EVERYTHING to heat up my tires but it was the only "visual" example I had of that particular ending of the C-screw.

 

in the pics you show, neither is a great example. one is early, one is super late.

my examples (sorry for size)

early (conservative, but scary)


ideal (or closer to)


an ideal hpde line hugs the curbing on the right hand side prior to turn in. as you turn left, staring into oblivion, you get practically 90 degrees for a split second before ripping left and praying that there's still track there. more often than not, you turn back right too soon, and are staring at curbing and gravel. play it safe - late apex the left, and slowly work it back.

after the first time, it's really no big deal. the corkscrew is a lot of hype - i had a much harder time with some of the other turns throughout the day.

this may help:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D

have fun!

 

what is hpde?

 

high performance driving event

 

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early (conservative, but scary)


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holy ****, those rumble strips look more like teeth...

man looks like they could rape your LCA's and other various suspension components

 

the sound it makes when you drive over them in gran turismo is surprisingly similar to the real thing - i was impressed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">an ideal hpde line hugs the curbing on the right hand side prior to turn in</TD></TR></TABLE>how does a high performance driving event line differ from a line you'd take at any other time?

 

I'm assuming that it's not the most "gung ho" line to take. Safety is very high on the priority list (read--highest) at an HPDE, so the conservative line rules the roost most of the time.

 

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early (conservative, but scary)


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Wow, that's a great close up pic of the rumble strip. Damn that thing DOES look like it would eat your car, i never imagined they would be that big. *sigh* the only taste of the corkscrew i'll be getting in the not-so-near-future is playing GT3. I must say though, it is my favorite track in the game, and i hope to experience it for real one day.