So is it gonna come or not? I really would like to know if it is coming to america. Are there any confirmed statments that say that it is, might, or might not? please help!

 

2004 model year

 

I read in Temple of Vtec website that an Acura rep said that it's more than likely that the "RSX will spawn a Type-R" although those hopeful of the Civic Type-R coming to U.S. shores are best not to hold their breath.

I tried looking for the webpage, but it was deleted...

 

And word is the Evo VII is comming in 03. Hmmm.

 

Its clear that from what I've been reading that Acura will most likely generate an R for the states. The question that is left is that will we get a rebadged typeS like they got in Australia.

Competition will be tough with Mitsubishi confirming that there will be an Evo (either the VII or VIII by the time its released) in the states and a reported STi version of the WRX. The way I see it is that if Acura doesnt give us a true R, then they will lose quite a bit of market share to Subaru and Mitsubishi. So IMHO I have a pretty good feeling that Acura will bring us a real R and not a rebadged one. What worries me is that if Australia got the rebadged one, what is going to make Honda think that we want the real one instead of the one Australia got.

 

Who cares about Australia they are just a bunch of honkeys... USA is where the money is at, they won't take a stupid dive into bringing us a "rebadged" type S.

 

Very well said!

 

I am from Australia and I would like to clear something up.

Here the Type R costs us $50,000 on the road currently. If Honda were to introduce the Japan equivalent, it would cost us closer to $70,000 on the road. Honda researched the market of the previous Type R owners and this is the result they got. People wanted more luxuries, hence the reason why we didn't get the Jap spec car.

Realistically, for the extra $20,000, you can replace the entire Full Exhaust and Intake System with Mugen's version, put Brembo brakes on the car with 17" rims for less than $12,000. This would increase the power by 30kw at the wheels, so why would we want the Jap spec anyway?



[Modified by OzTypeArgh, 1:26 AM 10/23/2001]

 

Anybody care to translate that? By$ I'm assuming that you mean the Aussie Dollar?

 

Yeah I am talking Aussie Dollar.

 

We have the RSX-S already.. so if the R comes, it must be not the rebadged S..
(doesn't make sense if it does)...
and about the market and luxury thing..
That's true.. sometimes I want a Luxury car with lots of cool gadgets..
but most of the time, I want a simple car. So Simple, no nitty-gritty useless stuff..

It will be Great if Honda makes RSX-R a stripped down version and offer luxury package as an option. with this, people have choices to suit their personal cases.
I mean, I don't need sound system, clock, auto-detect AC, Sun roof, Cruise Control, bla-bla-bla. I'd rather have a bare-bone fast car.
and for people who wants the Looks, the style and luxury, they can buy the stuff they want as an option. How about that?

2004 is good. I'll have enough money to buy DC5R by then....
EVO 7 is intriguing.. but it is not a honda and I am so damn scared to drive a Non Honda car..(reliability issues)
(this is of course my opinion, based on my experience).

 

You would think that.. but history has shown us that Honda continues to ship North America watered down versions of its cars. Maybe its emissions.. maybe its what their demographic polls show them.... From what I hear.. emissions are pretty tough in japan too. Maybe Honda needs to get their head of out of their *** and wake up to what Honda enthusiasts really want....

 

DAMN SKIPPY!!!!!!! Toast on that one

 

That's rather ridiculous to say. THe most R's the ever produced in North America in one year was around 1500 and that was in 2000 and 2001. The 97 were around 350 and the 98's circa 1200. To say they're giving up a lot of market share on car that averaged a little over 1100 units in four years of production is crazy.

Heck GM would quit offering a particular color on a car if it sold that few. Plus, given all the enhancements to the car over a standard GS-R, Type-S, etc. the margin on them probably amounts to very little. Other than a great image and press there isn't much benefit to Acura to continue producing this car.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a new DC5 R, but economics will tell you it's not a money maker for them and will be lucky to get one.

 

Jeff, check this out. I should have worded the "market share" in my response a little differently. What I meant about market share is no more than popularity. I mean lets face it, how many times have you seen "R" stickers all over a car that is not an R. I see type R this typeR that all the time. They are constantly being stolen for many things, but mostly their engine. I also dont see dealers flooded with R models that have not sold. This is what I meant. The R is the most popular race car from the factory with a sub $30k price.

Secondly, about your comment about Acura not wanting to bring it because its not a profit-maker. Why do you think they released the R in 97. They just didnt say "hey, lets put this car out and see if it makes money." They knew exactly how much it was costing them to make them and how much profit they will see from selling them. They didnt just take a stab in the dark. Keeping this in mind we see that the DC5 R will be just as much of a non-profit maker as was the older R. Acura knew it was not going to make a killing of this car before they decided to release it here.

I agree with you though, I also want to see the RSX spawn an R version and I'm sure that the profit side of things will not be Acura's determining factor on whether they should bring it or not. They already know that it is not going to make them as much money as they want. This being said, if Acura does not bring it over then all these performance car lovers aren't going out and buying an SUV, they will most likely at least consider a performance car from a rival company which in this case is Mitsubishi and Subaru to name a few.

By the way, I'm no expert and dont quote me, but I think there were more R's brought us in 2000, 2001 than 1500...right???


[Modified by KANJI, 1:56 AM 10/28/2001]

 

I'm sure Honda gained more in public relations, advertising, and general popularity with the performance crowd than it did $$ by selling the R in the states.

 

An Integra Type-R isn't a race car and it isn't even a sports car in the purest sense of the word. It's really a sporty integra as the integra was a sporty civic. Great car by all means, but not a race car.

Honda seems to be positioning the RSX line as a luxo-sport compact rather then an enthusiast tuning base. What their reasoning for that is, I honestly don't know. I'm guessing the Si is going to fill the shoes of the last gen integra (as ugly as it is).

Whatever.

Other auto companies, including domestics, are including the sport-compact market in their overall automotive strategy for the US so it really doesn't matter if we get a Type-R RSX. There will be superior and faster cars.

 

From what I heard, the EVO 7 is here around July, 2002 and the Integra Type R will be 2004(guessing July of 2003??) For the STi WRX... I think it's 2003 as well. As for CTR, I heard they are coming into Canada this year, not sure if they meant by Si model or true CTR.. Some guy in a forum said he already put the deposit for the CTR.. not sure..

I don't think we will get a watered down ITR, the only thing we don't get might be Recaro seats, ITR wheels, and probably HID lights(if they have one) , and the same price as JDM one..

Too much ITR for me.. I would get a EVO 7 or STi if they really came in.. Or the CTR if the rumors are true..

 

I don't think this Kidd00 has ever driven an "R"... by all means it IS a racecar. If you knew anything of the substructure of the car, maybe you'd have greater insight. It's NOT just a sporty Integra. I've driven SPORTY Integras with very exotic suspensions, etc... Oh wait mine... And the "R" STILL feels more solid and stable.

Learn the facts... Honda won't release ANYTHING with an "R" nameplate and not consider it a race-bred car for the streets...

 

From what I have read, expect an RSX-R in about 2-3 years, as Acura will probably follow what it did before with the 3g Integra -- using the Type-R model to generate interest mid-cycle.

Don't expect all the JDM stuff, rather, I would guess the RSX-R to be similar to the USDM 3g ITR. Which means no Brembo brakes and Recaro seats. Remember the USDM ITR is still not a JDM ITR, it was somewhat watered-down.

Last, despite the enthusiasm of everyone on this board, remember Honda makes significantly more money selling "normal" Civics, Accords, and Odesseys. You can hold your breath until you're blue, but don't expect American Honda to care too much about selling a completely race-spec RSX.

Remember, Honda has two other highly visible flagships (NSX and S2000). The ITR was realtively easy to bring to the US without too much development and testing. However, based on many BS "warranty" claims by idiots, I cannot imagine Honda is highly motivated to provide another car that generates a lot of warranty/service headaches for its dealers.

That said, I'm anxiously waiting for the announcement of an RSX-R