sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong
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sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong
can someone please tell me what the actual temp. diff is from where the CAI sucks in air and where the short ram sucks air?
even if its a little cooler is it worth the danger of a CAI and the price?
when the car is moving there is air moving through the whole engine bay so i would think that they would suck in almost exactly the same temperature of air.
i want a dyno of both a cai and short ram used on the same engine if possable.
so bassiacally i am saying that a short ram will make nearly the same hp as a cai. possably .00000008 less
edit: i know an intake will not make hardly any hp. in the first place. so dont go off an me
Modified by chads at 11:10 PM 3/5/2004
even if its a little cooler is it worth the danger of a CAI and the price?
when the car is moving there is air moving through the whole engine bay so i would think that they would suck in almost exactly the same temperature of air.
i want a dyno of both a cai and short ram used on the same engine if possable.
so bassiacally i am saying that a short ram will make nearly the same hp as a cai. possably .00000008 less
edit: i know an intake will not make hardly any hp. in the first place. so dont go off an me
Modified by chads at 11:10 PM 3/5/2004
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (chads)
from what i have seen its more about the design of the tub (aka less bends = better air flow= more HP)
but dyno's are gona be kinda biased on this issue cause your not moving. yes i know they have big fans and **** but not the kind of air that hits your car when your accellorating hard, or at like 65mph
but dyno's are gona be kinda biased on this issue cause your not moving. yes i know they have big fans and **** but not the kind of air that hits your car when your accellorating hard, or at like 65mph
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (chads)
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edit: i know an intake will not make hardly any hp. in the first place. so dont go off an me</TD></TR></TABLE>
more then your basic bolt ons.
edit: i know an intake will not make hardly any hp. in the first place. so dont go off an me</TD></TR></TABLE>
more then your basic bolt ons.
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (=GAMEOVA=)
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more then your basic bolt ons.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what do you mean?
more then your basic bolt ons.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what do you mean?
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (chads)
FWIW, these figures were posted a while back by member "RICHJ":
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> We did some Intake tests to measure air temp here in the UK. Test Normal driving at varying speeds, and stationary tests. Method of measurement, standard intake temp sensor (which is in the manifold I beleive, and does soak up the heat from the surrounding metal a bit when stationary) with reading from PowerFC and FCCommander. Ambiant temp was about 10deg C. Results below: -
Test 1: Short Ram (no cold air feed)
Stationary: 38deg C
Pull away (300 or so yards): 34deg C
Moving: 34deg C
Test 2: AEM CAI (clone)
Stationary: 38deg C
Pull away (300 or so yards): 24deg C
Moving: 20deg C
Test 3: Comptech Icebox (next day different car, similar ambient temps)
Stationary: 38deg C
Pull away (300 or so yards): 24deg C
Crusing: 22deg C
Accelerating: 18deg C
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> We did some Intake tests to measure air temp here in the UK. Test Normal driving at varying speeds, and stationary tests. Method of measurement, standard intake temp sensor (which is in the manifold I beleive, and does soak up the heat from the surrounding metal a bit when stationary) with reading from PowerFC and FCCommander. Ambiant temp was about 10deg C. Results below: -
Test 1: Short Ram (no cold air feed)
Stationary: 38deg C
Pull away (300 or so yards): 34deg C
Moving: 34deg C
Test 2: AEM CAI (clone)
Stationary: 38deg C
Pull away (300 or so yards): 24deg C
Moving: 20deg C
Test 3: Comptech Icebox (next day different car, similar ambient temps)
Stationary: 38deg C
Pull away (300 or so yards): 24deg C
Crusing: 22deg C
Accelerating: 18deg C
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (chads)
This is a AEM short ram for the Civic EX vs. a CAI from AEM. Tests were less than 10 minutes apart. No tuning was done on the car. The tuning refers to the CAI that they made specifically for the Edelbrock intake manifold.
CAI is better due to the tuning of the pipe size and lenght to actually help pull air into the engine. Acusitics are crazy aren't they.
EDIT: Speed related tunnel fan was place in front of the car, and the hood was open. SO, the short ram might have actually been sucking colder air then usual.
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CAI is better due to the tuning of the pipe size and lenght to actually help pull air into the engine. Acusitics are crazy aren't they.
EDIT: Speed related tunnel fan was place in front of the car, and the hood was open. SO, the short ram might have actually been sucking colder air then usual.
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (Spade)
Best intake setup is a short ram with some sort of cold air duct to feed the filter with a good suply of cod air. Comptech and Mugen both have systems simular to this they call it an "ice box" intake. these have minimal bends for high air flow and no risk of hydro lock, but they cost an arm. but you can make your own ice box for just about any short ram intake for under $10 at any home suply store.
Cold air intakes are a waste of money.
Cold air intakes are a waste of money.
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (Spade)
thanks for the posts guys.
i got the aem short ram intake because i live in oregon and it rains 10 months out of the yea and its usually already cold outside.
it looks like there is a growing difference between cai and short ram as the amount of performance parts that are on the engine grow.
my em1 will only see i/h/e and under-drive pulleys maybe a few other small things. so i felt that i wouldn't benefit much by getting the cai which is more expensive.
am i correct by saying on a car with i/h/e the difference is doing to be allot closer than a car with many other upgrades?
i got the aem short ram intake because i live in oregon and it rains 10 months out of the yea and its usually already cold outside.
it looks like there is a growing difference between cai and short ram as the amount of performance parts that are on the engine grow.
my em1 will only see i/h/e and under-drive pulleys maybe a few other small things. so i felt that i wouldn't benefit much by getting the cai which is more expensive.
am i correct by saying on a car with i/h/e the difference is doing to be allot closer than a car with many other upgrades?
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Re: sounds like b.s. to me, someone prove me wrong (chads)
I would accualy say the other way around.
CAI give more mid range torque(due to longer pipeing). which is better for daily street/traffic driving. and mild street car will benifit more from mid range torque givin from a CAI.
Short ram's give more high RPM horse power(due to faster air flow). Fully built n/a engines rev higher and would benifit more with a short ram.
Edit: take a look at the charts that spade posted. the CAI greatly out performs the short ram when it comes to torque. but on the HP chart the only noticable gain that will be felt in the butt-dyno is that hump in the mid RPM range, on the street you'll driving in the mid RPM the most and thats where you feel the gain. if you were is a track car where the engine is mostly in high RPMs you wouldn't be feeling much of a gain.
CAI give more mid range torque(due to longer pipeing). which is better for daily street/traffic driving. and mild street car will benifit more from mid range torque givin from a CAI.
Short ram's give more high RPM horse power(due to faster air flow). Fully built n/a engines rev higher and would benifit more with a short ram.
Edit: take a look at the charts that spade posted. the CAI greatly out performs the short ram when it comes to torque. but on the HP chart the only noticable gain that will be felt in the butt-dyno is that hump in the mid RPM range, on the street you'll driving in the mid RPM the most and thats where you feel the gain. if you were is a track car where the engine is mostly in high RPMs you wouldn't be feeling much of a gain.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93eh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">either way is better than stock. who gives a ****, if you wanna be fast then get a turbo. screw CAI, unless you want to **** up your engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
All information provided here in this thread was very insightful. It gives me an idea of where to go with a certain engine setup or whatever I'd like to do in the future. I appreciate all the technicalities that come to play in this discussion--so I give a ****.
All information provided here in this thread was very insightful. It gives me an idea of where to go with a certain engine setup or whatever I'd like to do in the future. I appreciate all the technicalities that come to play in this discussion--so I give a ****.
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All I know is going from a Injen Short ram to fake AEM CAI using the same K&N filter took almost half second of 1/4 mile time. Nothing else was changed except intakes.
And I live in Oregon where it rains 10 months a year and never had a problem sucking up water nor has anyone I know except one guy who drove through a foot of standing water in Seaside durring a flood.
A CAI will be no problems unless you completely submerge it in water in which case you will probably have bigger problems.
And I live in Oregon where it rains 10 months a year and never had a problem sucking up water nor has anyone I know except one guy who drove through a foot of standing water in Seaside durring a flood.
A CAI will be no problems unless you completely submerge it in water in which case you will probably have bigger problems.
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AEM also makes a bypass valve that prevents water from being sucked into the engine even if the entire filter is dipped into a tank of water.
SCC tested this a while ago with AEM owners NSX. They didn't just dip the filter, they did an entire dyno pull with the air filter dipped into the tank of water. The bypass valve opened and prevented the engine from sucking in the water.
EDIT: Due to Cali Smog issues, I had to sell the IM and CAI. I TRULY miss the mid range. I definatly notice that it is gone and, I'm seriously bummed it is gone.
oh well, my 3.2L SOHC arrives at the end of the month
SCC tested this a while ago with AEM owners NSX. They didn't just dip the filter, they did an entire dyno pull with the air filter dipped into the tank of water. The bypass valve opened and prevented the engine from sucking in the water.
EDIT: Due to Cali Smog issues, I had to sell the IM and CAI. I TRULY miss the mid range. I definatly notice that it is gone and, I'm seriously bummed it is gone.
oh well, my 3.2L SOHC arrives at the end of the month
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All information provided here in this thread was very insightful. It gives me an idea of where to go with a certain engine setup or whatever I'd like to do in the future. I appreciate all the technicalities that come to play in this discussion--so I give a ****. </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha, you make it seem like a CAI is going to make you run 10's in the 1/4...
All information provided here in this thread was very insightful. It gives me an idea of where to go with a certain engine setup or whatever I'd like to do in the future. I appreciate all the technicalities that come to play in this discussion--so I give a ****. </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha, you make it seem like a CAI is going to make you run 10's in the 1/4...
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haha, you make it seem like a CAI is going to make you run 10's in the 1/4...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do I? Maybe you're just over-analyzing my statement. Don't sweat it, nobody's judging you.
haha, you make it seem like a CAI is going to make you run 10's in the 1/4...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do I? Maybe you're just over-analyzing my statement. Don't sweat it, nobody's judging you.
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Sorry to threadjack here but since the CAI issue is n the table...
will using an Integra Type-R AEM CAI work on an EG Civic? not a special question but reaon is a friend wants to buy my AEM CAI so i thought I'd get the 3" Type-R one if it fits my Civic
I've heard it works on the EG (need to buy 3-2.5" reducer which AEM sells) but i don't know anyone who's done it so will it bolt in to the normal locations or do you have to adjust the mounting positions? i just figured larger piping=better airflow. plus if there's ever a swap in my Civic's future i have the CAI ready to go
will using an Integra Type-R AEM CAI work on an EG Civic? not a special question but reaon is a friend wants to buy my AEM CAI so i thought I'd get the 3" Type-R one if it fits my Civic
I've heard it works on the EG (need to buy 3-2.5" reducer which AEM sells) but i don't know anyone who's done it so will it bolt in to the normal locations or do you have to adjust the mounting positions? i just figured larger piping=better airflow. plus if there's ever a swap in my Civic's future i have the CAI ready to go
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 519RACING »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry to threadjack here but since the CAI issue is n the table...
will using an Integra Type-R AEM CAI work on an EG Civic? not a special question but reaon is a friend wants to buy my AEM CAI so i thought I'd get the 3" Type-R one if it fits my Civic
I've heard it works on the EG (need to buy 3-2.5" reducer which AEM sells) but i don't know anyone who's done it so will it bolt in to the normal locations or do you have to adjust the mounting positions? i just figured larger piping=better airflow. plus if there's ever a swap in my Civic's future i have the CAI ready to go
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look up spade's thread about sohc build ups imma pretty sure he talks abuot this and yes it does werk. in theory u would think so too right i mean a 3" diameter pipe compared to what a sohc aem cai is like what 2.5"????i dunno if that really makes a dif but why the hell not try they are both the same pricing about.
and about hydrolocking a motor.... i have lived wit my CAI in 3 motors and never had a problem(just that i like blowing motors up with laughing gas :-x) i have went through puddles never a problem but i am weary abuot things like that. just be careful u wont have to worry my filter sits right on front of a open duct on my front bumper no problems even in teh heavy *** rain. besides i just like CAIs better if i had the money for a ice box i would get one but i dunt ebay CAI's for me
will using an Integra Type-R AEM CAI work on an EG Civic? not a special question but reaon is a friend wants to buy my AEM CAI so i thought I'd get the 3" Type-R one if it fits my Civic
I've heard it works on the EG (need to buy 3-2.5" reducer which AEM sells) but i don't know anyone who's done it so will it bolt in to the normal locations or do you have to adjust the mounting positions? i just figured larger piping=better airflow. plus if there's ever a swap in my Civic's future i have the CAI ready to go
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look up spade's thread about sohc build ups imma pretty sure he talks abuot this and yes it does werk. in theory u would think so too right i mean a 3" diameter pipe compared to what a sohc aem cai is like what 2.5"????i dunno if that really makes a dif but why the hell not try they are both the same pricing about.
and about hydrolocking a motor.... i have lived wit my CAI in 3 motors and never had a problem(just that i like blowing motors up with laughing gas :-x) i have went through puddles never a problem but i am weary abuot things like that. just be careful u wont have to worry my filter sits right on front of a open duct on my front bumper no problems even in teh heavy *** rain. besides i just like CAIs better if i had the money for a ice box i would get one but i dunt ebay CAI's for me
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damn, some have all the luck......
damn, some have all the luck......
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damn I don't really know why you guys get CAI, I mean vtec is all about getting the power at top end, right? And since most of you are stick you don't really care what's going on the bottom. What CAI does it improves low end power but short ram gets more power at top end. Maybe you just feel that CAI makes more power because it's louder.
You guys know what's genious though, next to vtec? Go research on variable intake matifolds from nissan. I think if you combine vtec with variable intake matifold you will get a crazy power band!!!
You guys know what's genious though, next to vtec? Go research on variable intake matifolds from nissan. I think if you combine vtec with variable intake matifold you will get a crazy power band!!!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABK »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn I don't really know why you guys get CAI, I mean vtec is all about getting the power at top end, right? And since most of you are stick you don't really care what's going on the bottom. What CAI does it improves low end power but short ram gets more power at top end. Maybe you just feel that CAI makes more power because it's louder.
You guys know what's genious though, next to vtec? Go research on variable intake matifolds from nissan. I think if you combine vtec with variable intake matifold you will get a crazy power band!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
wait i thought a CAI improves the high end when a short ram improves low end????
i mean i could be wrong if i am **** i need more top end for this fuggin non vtec beast
You guys know what's genious though, next to vtec? Go research on variable intake matifolds from nissan. I think if you combine vtec with variable intake matifold you will get a crazy power band!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
wait i thought a CAI improves the high end when a short ram improves low end????
i mean i could be wrong if i am **** i need more top end for this fuggin non vtec beast