OK - This may sound like a stupid question but here goes...

Yes EF/ED's are light cars and we have a lot of aftermarket support. On my crx i have a modest setup consisting of GR-2's and Eibach pro-kit all around (daily driven).

I don't know what suspension setup is the best, Koni, Tockico, KYB, Tein, whatever...but with a lets see, $750 suspension setup what kinds of cars could you out handle? Skidpad? Are we talking corvettes here? Porsche's? Ferrari's?

I usually hear people with GC and AGX's saying they love it but what can you compare it to?

Thanks,

Vince

 

Sorry that kinda of handling isnt my department. but i would compare Gc's and blues to a cadillac.

 

Also depends on what tires you are using, shitty stock tires wont grip or handle worth crap, but some nice azenies or similar tires will get you handeling alot better.

 

I mean performance tires...not slicks but lets say a set of 15X6.5 slips with any average performance tire.

 

Good topic Vince. Maybe some of the autocross guys can help out.
I love my crx, but compared to my prelude sh, it handles poorly.
Granted, I'm running on stock springs and Tokico blues, with the added weight of a b-series swap. Looking to upgrade and leaning towards gc's with koni's.
I'd like to hear some firsthand impressions of different setups too.

 

i've got TEIN HA's, rear upper/lower bars, front upper bar, ingalls front camber kit, on some 15in. dunlop sp9000's. I've taken her to ThunderHill, and when i'm up there i set the dampers all the way up, and boy does she handle nice. Although i must say the tires could be better, but for what it was, they worked nice.

 

Are thoese TEINS and adjustable shock and spring set? How much did that setup cost you?


It would just be cool to get some skidpad numbers on some performance suspension setups with some decent tires.

Vince

 

I have a hatch (yeah I know its not a crx but its close) with Koni Yellow 5-ways, Eibach springs, 15" Azenis and swaybars... the car handles like its on rails

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AgentJam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are thoese TEINS and adjustable shock and spring set? How much did that setup cost you?
Vince</TD></TR></TABLE>

The teins i have are the whole damper system, where shock and spring are combined. This setup cost me 1250 3 1/2 years ago. But they work great and haven't gone bad yet! *knock on wood*

 

i have a set of h&r race springs and ill be ordering my koni yellows soon. i really hope this car will actually feel like its on rails. next purchase will be some better tires, ill have to return to this post once i get my springs and konis on. anyone have this set-up or know someone with the same set-up and how it handles.

 

Found this...
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=648594

CRX with 1.01G skidpad $2000 in suspension/tires

Vince

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AgentJam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Found this...
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=648594

CRX with 1.01G skidpad $2000 in suspension/tires

Vince</TD></TR></TABLE>

i wanna know what kinda suspension he's using

 

why did he say skidpad test were useless? that never got answered.

 

yeah i wonder why he doesn't think they are a good value to compare handling.

1.01G's is pretty much what a Porsche GT2 pulls (1.02?)

I mean people build engines then post up their track/drag times and then people have something to compare setups to.

Suspension however people just have "preferences" and the way this or that setup "feels"

I need some numbers before i dish out some hefty money.

Vince

 

wow. that crx is impressive for pulling 1.01 g's as compared to a porsches 1.02g's

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AgentJam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I mean people build engines then post up their track/drag times and then people have something to compare setups to.

Suspension however people just have "preferences" and the way this or that setup "feels"

I need some numbers before i dish out some hefty money.

Vince</TD></TR></TABLE>

very true. id like to stop hearing preferences (even though thats kinda impossible) and actually see some type of numbers or facts. considering everyone's preference is different. and i definately hear you on the money part. i think if this post can get some good data as far as numbers, etc go this post could be really helpful for alot of people.

 

I just posted a link to this thread in the autocrossing forum...hopefully we can get some help

 

I have Neuspeed sports with Tokico blues (not GR-2's!!). I like it because it's a good mix for daily driving and track but if I had to do it over again I wouldn't get the tokico... one of them blew after a year!

Anyway, to give you a reference, My father owns a 2001 Integra Type R that is all stock and he has Azenis on his car.

I have a b16 swap and a bunch of other goodies and I also run azenis and I've have driven both our cars VERY HARD, and my CRX out performs my father's ITR in accleration and cornering. With breaking they are about equal because I have the fastbrakes kit but I didn't spring for the 4 piston calipers!

So there you have it. I have sub-600$ susp. setup that allows my crx to out perform a STOCK ITR.

 

im running:
91 crx si.
front neuspeed strut tower bar
Skunk 2 rear strut tower bar
rear lower neuspeed bar
Sus. Tech. Front n Rear Anti-sways
KYB Agx Adjustables
Prokit
16x7 slips
Kumho 712s

no idea on the prices any more..prolly almsot $2000 in sus/handlign including tires and wheels which wer eliek about $800

i want to get tein coilovers, they be awesome, and my tires are pretty shitty..but they are do-able... and it handles like no tommorrow, no body roll....

speed is fun, but try hitting a nice twisty in full control, no brakes. ahh nothing like it.

 

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Well I'm not really sure what you're asking as far as how good something handles. There really isn't a set way you can set a standard for handling. I auto-x an 89 civic si. Setup really needs to be decided on what surface you drive on. Street setups should be much softer than a race setup or you will just hop over pavement as street surfaces aren't really that smooth. The setup on my 89 si is kyb agx shocks(front brake bracket cut off to give 3/4" more shock travel), dropzone coilovers(350/450 rates) that can be found on ebay for about $80, a crx hf front sway bar and 22 mm ST rear adjustable bar. This setup was good enough for me to win the ft. myers national tour just a couple of weeks ago. Who needs a $2k suspension.

With a set of DOT legal race tires I could easily pull over 1g on the skidpad but that doesn't really matter. When are you going to be going in circles all the time.

The crx will handle slightly better as well since the wheelbase is shorter than the civic and is also slightly lighter so there is less weight while the tire size shouldn't be any different.

maybe that helps?

 

this thread has turned stupid. everoyne listing what they have.
who cares what you have, what he wants to know is what have you out cornered on a track?

i personally have all kinds of suspension junk, but have never driven mine on a track. so my suspension (and all others in this thread) apperently are junk becasue nobody has any list of cars that they have out cornered on a track

 

I've got a 90 4door which is an autox-only car. I have a Rev Speed Meter with a g sensor in it and I regularly pull 1.23 - 1.3 g's during autox's. And that's not spinning the car out, that's holding the turn. I'd hate to be "stupid" and list what mods I've got, but pretty much everything suspension related on the car is modified. But I'm only riding on kyb agx's and an eibach pro-kit when it comes to shocks and springs, so it's not the most expensive/best performing stuff out there. Maybe with koni's and some better springs things may be different. I'm also running hoosier r3so4's, so that has A LOT to do with it. However, on street tires it's not hard to pull just over 1 g during races, so maybe that'll give you street tire guys a better idea of what I'm talking about.

Now, the club I race with has a 90 crx with only shocks, springs, an adjustable swaybar, and victoracer v700's on it. As much as I hate to admit it, that thing is right on my *** every race. So I'd think with strut tower bars, a better alignment, adjustable shocks, and a better swaybar setup that it may be capable of pulling around 1.3 to 1.4 g's. Those damn crx's are just insane for autocrossing!

 

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who cares what you have, what he wants to know is what have you out cornered on a track?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe I answered his question appropriately. I out handled a stock ITR with the same tires.

 

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capable of pulling around 1.3 to 1.4 g's. </TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.worldclassmusclecars.com/TheList.htm

 

So are you saying that the numbers are good in comparison to those cars on the list, or are you saying I'm full of it? I can't really tell, sorry... I'm just telling you what the g-sensor tells me.

 

Dang, 1.2-1.3G's is a lot...i don't know what Formula 1 cars pull but i know it's less than 2G's.

My car feels pretty firm with the GR-2's and Pro kit (for daily driving city/urban/dips/potholes/speed-bumps and the occassional potholes)and i'm just about done installing the ES master bushings kit. Hopefully that will tighten it up some. The thing is that every car "feels" differently but "feel" has nothing to do with the actual grip of the car...so many things come into play when stating the "feel".

It would be nice if companies "dyno'd" their suspension before and after install on a stock car. Just like how intake/exhaust companies claim HP gains...

Vince