I was wondering if anyone here ever heard of power-over-steering? I read in an old Honda Tuner that the newer Prelude type sh models have this system that actively transfers torque which allowed you to do this power-over-steering method a little. I just wanted to know how this particular method is done.

 

Uh, prelude = FWD.

 

yeah they claimed in the magazine that it was only possible in a rear wheel drive but they said the 98 Prelude type sh can do it alittle.

 

Only if power-over-steering = torque steer.

Andy - who screwed with his scrub radius and now has to keep both hands on the wheel while accelerating...

 

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I would stop reading this magazine.

 

So know one will explain how its done in a rear wheel drive? I just want to know even if its out of the contrary to Hondas/Acuras how its done

 

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Well you didnt ask

As in how its done, just turn the wheel and punch the loud pedal.

 

Is it basically like a drift?

 

the ATTS system in a prelude SH sends torque to the outside wheel in a turn. This helps the car rotate more, and when I test drove one, I was able to get the back end to come around a tad while on the throttle when coming out of a U-turn under an overpass (insert obligitory street jackassery comment here)

However, it feels very artificial in a lot of conditions, and has been known to get quirky. Also, at the limit of performance on a track, it doesn't help too much/at all.

 

So really in the Prelude sh, the ATTS will basically hold the front end on the road to the point of literally getting the back end to slide with it to achieve maximum performance through corners

 

Power-on oversteering is exactly what it sounds like - you open the throttle and the car oversteers. It's generally only associated with RWD cars for obvious reasons - they can break the rear wheels free with power.

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The Active Torque Transfer System on the Type-SH does give the car a fairly neutral feeling while in turns, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it "power-on oversteering."

OTOH, I have seen a fully-prepared DSP del Sol VTEC that could nearly power-on oversteer

 

Most FWD cars with a rear stiff setup will oversteer if you lift mid-corner.

Its not "power oversteer" though.

 

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I meant oversteer with the power on.

Any car will oversteer if you lift in mid-corner.

 

I think that it is posible in a front wheel drive now that I think about it. When I jump in my Integra and go on one of my little road races around here, there is a hairpin corner in United Pa that I can go about 55 MPH in and 62 MPH out burning tire the whole time w/ a B18A1. Isn't that the same thing because you are using your front tires to hold you on the road?

 

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I think you should spend some time autocrossing

 

I wish I could but theres no tracks around here, just twisty mountain roads. Besides whats the difference at the track on on a windy mountain road?

 

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http://www.scca.org - find your local region(s). I'm sure there are events within a 2 hour drive.

http://www.trackschedule.com - has to be a track within a few hours from you.

The difference is that autocross or track is a controlled environment that you can learn from. The cost of entry is much less than fixing your car if you f up on a road and end up in a ditch or get busted by a cop for it (ticket, fines, lawyers, insurance, etc).

 

I just looked up greensburg pa on mapquest, and you are less than 30 minutes from Beaverun. (beaverun.com).

 

lol yeah I guess your right. I want to get an old 87' CRX to auto cross I'll have to check that site out.

 

Just use the car you already have.

 

I bet you could get a FWD car to "power oversteer" by using race tires in the front and the worst, bald, rock hard street tires in the back. This would also make the car completely undriveable. I have heard of some jackassery using McDonalds trays under the rear tires to get the same effect.

 

can you go and participate on open lapping day w/o a liscense or certain regulations on your car?

 

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BeaveRun is close by, and there are several autocross clubs running within a 2 hour drive from here (6 that I can think of off-hand).

The difference between driving on a track and driving on a "twisty mountain road" is the difference between intelligence and stupidity.

 

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Call the track and ask, but I am inclined to say no.

If you want to get out on track, then you will need an instructor. Audi Club, NASA (ohio/indiana region) and i'm sure other clubs all host events at beaverun.

 

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without a competitions license? Yes. Without a Driver's License? No.