performance: 2 door vs. 4 door
I have a 95 4dr gsr, and I was wondering what the performance differences were between the 2dr and 4dr especially in terms of handling. I tried searching, but that didn't turn up anything. I figure that the sedan has a slightly longer wheelbase and perhaps better weight distribution, but I dunno... Anybody else know anything?
I heard from a friend I know that 4 doors handle better than 2 doors cause him and his friend raced some guy on a mountain in colorado or some **** and he said that the four door could always take the turns faster than them in a two door gsr. dont know if its true though or if that guy just had more ***** to take fast turns.
i dont think there is much of a difference because when i was looking for a GSR, i almost bought a four door. while test driving it i took turns pretty quickly, just as quick as a 2 door. i think the 4 door might have a more rigid chasis cuz its not a hatchback.
The 4doors (except 86-89 Integras because the 4doors have hatches they are the same as the 2door) DO handle better. I posted a month ago to see if there was a difference and everyone on here said there is no difference. I wanted to know because I have a 92' Integra 2door and my brother just purchased a 90' Integra 4door. I noticed as soon as I took it out and flung it around once that the 4door had a more rigid platform and didn't have all the flex like the 2door. I notice it was more stable at higher speeds but it still had that soft, quirky, feel of the second generation Integra. I proved it to myself and I think the 4door handles better but not a whole lot better. Only someone that can feel exactly what the car was doing can tell you the answer to this question. And we are talking about third gen. GS-Rs which I guarentee handle better than the RS, LS, or GS. When it comes to handling, your 4door will suit you better than the 2door, but when it comes to performance the motors are all the same just the 4doors are slightly heavier.
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</TD></TR></TABLE>obviously someone if they asked ......
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LOL, nice.
but yeah, it's probably a negligible difference.
LOL, nice.
but yeah, it's probably a negligible difference.
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If four door integras handled better than hatchbacks wouldnt you see more 4 door integras being used in circuit racing? The 2 door hatchback has shorter wheelbase than the 4 door. This makes the car more agile. Wheelbase is the reason the CRX is quite fast in the circuit and on the Touge.
The 4 doors will handle slightly better out of the box, due to better weight distribution, increased rear chassis rigidity, dimensions, etc. However, the 2 door has more potential being that it has less weight, and the ability to have better distribution and increased rigidity. The dimensions while great for the stock, or slightly modified, suspension are not ideal for heavily modified track cars where a shorter wheelbase is preferred. The only real advantage the 4 door offers is high speed stability (another virtue of a longer wheelbase), but this can also easily be compensated for with a 2 door model.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 4 doors will handle slightly better out of the box, due to better weight distribution, increased rear chassis rigidity, dimensions, etc. However, the 2 door has more potential being that it has less weight, and the ability to have better distribution and increased rigidity. The dimensions while great for the stock, or slightly modified, suspension are not ideal for heavily modified track cars where a shorter wheelbase is preferred. The only real advantage the 4 door offers is high speed stability (another virtue of a longer wheelbase), but this can also easily be compensated for with a 2 door model.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is exactly right Kendall. Someone on here asked what makes me think that GS-Rs handle better? Honda Tuning Magazine clearly states in the July 01' issue the history of the Integra when the RSX was introduced. The 86-89 Integras were described as fun little mountain road carvers. Once again I drove a 1989 Acura Integra Ls and loved everything about except for the rust and the sus. set-up. The old Integras use torsion bars and a rear solid axle beam. This meant you had awesome low speed cornering at many extremes in the 1st gen. but got a little hard to handle at speeds above 95 MPH through corners. Otherwise, if I had a chance to find another one of the seven grand saluting 1st gens. I would definitely buy it. I have a 2nd gen. Integra Ls and the first thing I did to it was sus. upgrades because the setting were so soft. HT says that when the 2nd gen. debut, it boasted a 1.8 liter that produce good power and torque numbers than the first gen and had a new look, more refined look, almost looked like the car was getting older (as in growing up). They said in the article that in 1992' Honda Motors. debut VTEC and the Acura Integra GS-R was born. The article sad that the GS-R was the best bang for your buck at the time and sometimes could almost take on an eclipse turbo if taken of guard. They said that the GS-R has the 1.7 liter VTEC and Acura also added Aluminum alloy wheels and FIRMER SUSPENSION SETTINGS. People said the sus. was notably firmer and loved the GS-R version of the Integra. The 2nd was an Acura, a luxury car with the sus. to give a better ride, they really didn't strive to make it out handle the competition. When the 3rd gen. was introduced, it was built more like the fun little mountain carver that the Integra once was . The 3rd gen GS-R definitely had firmer sus. set-up than any other Integra that was produced. The newer GS-Rs had the new 1.8 liter VTEC that had better power ratings and styling cues also. Come on people, put 2-n-2 together, the 4doors have no big glass hatchback to create body flex and its definitely easier to throw the car into a corner when the wheel base is longer. Actually there are allot of 4doors out there on the street and track and the 4door Integra would be the only 4door I'd ever own besides a Civic 4door.
That is exactly right Kendall. Someone on here asked what makes me think that GS-Rs handle better? Honda Tuning Magazine clearly states in the July 01' issue the history of the Integra when the RSX was introduced. The 86-89 Integras were described as fun little mountain road carvers. Once again I drove a 1989 Acura Integra Ls and loved everything about except for the rust and the sus. set-up. The old Integras use torsion bars and a rear solid axle beam. This meant you had awesome low speed cornering at many extremes in the 1st gen. but got a little hard to handle at speeds above 95 MPH through corners. Otherwise, if I had a chance to find another one of the seven grand saluting 1st gens. I would definitely buy it. I have a 2nd gen. Integra Ls and the first thing I did to it was sus. upgrades because the setting were so soft. HT says that when the 2nd gen. debut, it boasted a 1.8 liter that produce good power and torque numbers than the first gen and had a new look, more refined look, almost looked like the car was getting older (as in growing up). They said in the article that in 1992' Honda Motors. debut VTEC and the Acura Integra GS-R was born. The article sad that the GS-R was the best bang for your buck at the time and sometimes could almost take on an eclipse turbo if taken of guard. They said that the GS-R has the 1.7 liter VTEC and Acura also added Aluminum alloy wheels and FIRMER SUSPENSION SETTINGS. People said the sus. was notably firmer and loved the GS-R version of the Integra. The 2nd was an Acura, a luxury car with the sus. to give a better ride, they really didn't strive to make it out handle the competition. When the 3rd gen. was introduced, it was built more like the fun little mountain carver that the Integra once was . The 3rd gen GS-R definitely had firmer sus. set-up than any other Integra that was produced. The newer GS-Rs had the new 1.8 liter VTEC that had better power ratings and styling cues also. Come on people, put 2-n-2 together, the 4doors have no big glass hatchback to create body flex and its definitely easier to throw the car into a corner when the wheel base is longer. Actually there are allot of 4doors out there on the street and track and the 4door Integra would be the only 4door I'd ever own besides a Civic 4door.
if handling was an issue why not just get a better suspention set up? i mean, a stock 4-door will handle SLIGHTLY better than a stock 2-door, but a 2-door with a good suspention setup will own any stock 4-door.
Definitely, I noticed that my bro's stock sus. set-up on his 4door is basically like a 2door with rear tower brace, lower tie, and a c-pillar bar. I have Eibachs and KYBs for the bouncy Pa roads and the more and more I tweak the suspension on my 92' Ls, the more it acts like a Prelude (which we all should know out handle alot of ****). My girlfriends 89' Prelude 2.0s will out handle my buddy 90' CRX w/ Neuspeed Racing springs and the prelude has stock suspension and has blown rear struts. I had an 86' Prelude 2.0 Si that out-handled every car on the mountain out here especially after I lowered it 2'' w/ Suspension Tech springs. I got so used to the racing feel of the prelude that when I moved to the 92' Acura Integra, I couldn't do any in that car like I could a Prelude.
I later on found out after "experimenting" with different lowering springs and shocks for the DA chassis, that the Integra is based on the Civic chassis which explains its handling characteristics. When me and my dad got into Hondas, we wouldn't buy them unless they said Si on the rear until we got into the recent years and decided to check out a DOHC Integra. My first Honda was a 1987 Honda CRX Si that handled like a fucken champion. The only problems with the 1st generation CRX is that the rust too easily. I got mine for a steal because the body was mint but the hard points rotted out. My dad and I welded hard points in and I drove it for 2 years before coming around a corner one day and the solid axle beam rusting off of the body sending me out of control into a guard rail
Me and my dad fixed the back and dumped it cause it never handled right again. Then I found a 4door 87' Integra which was another rust bucket but got me around until I bought the 86' Prelude 2.0 Si from my dad. After that he got the 92' Integra (black w/ ivory interior) which I currently drive and modify as much as possible. My dad then bought a 1989 Honda Prelude 2.0 S and put another engine in it and sold it to my girl. It handles way better than any Honda or Acura I ever rode in. I only wish it was a DOHC Si
I later on found out after "experimenting" with different lowering springs and shocks for the DA chassis, that the Integra is based on the Civic chassis which explains its handling characteristics. When me and my dad got into Hondas, we wouldn't buy them unless they said Si on the rear until we got into the recent years and decided to check out a DOHC Integra. My first Honda was a 1987 Honda CRX Si that handled like a fucken champion. The only problems with the 1st generation CRX is that the rust too easily. I got mine for a steal because the body was mint but the hard points rotted out. My dad and I welded hard points in and I drove it for 2 years before coming around a corner one day and the solid axle beam rusting off of the body sending me out of control into a guard rail
Me and my dad fixed the back and dumped it cause it never handled right again. Then I found a 4door 87' Integra which was another rust bucket but got me around until I bought the 86' Prelude 2.0 Si from my dad. After that he got the 92' Integra (black w/ ivory interior) which I currently drive and modify as much as possible. My dad then bought a 1989 Honda Prelude 2.0 S and put another engine in it and sold it to my girl. It handles way better than any Honda or Acura I ever rode in. I only wish it was a DOHC Si
Well i got a 95 4dr gsr and i can feel the difference when i drive my friends 2dr GSR the car rolls more not too much but if your used to driving a 4dr and drive a 2dr you will feel the difference, unless the 2dr has suspension upgrades and the 4dr is stock.
I guess they just wanted a go fast car that would accomadate a family. I love my bros 90' 4door Gs he just picked up. I like it because now we can just jump in his car and fling around instead of packing into my 2door Ls. And I like how the back windows go down.
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