Modified by fastone at 4:40 AM 3/24/2004

 

Sounds like it would be a great Gr2 rally engine. Or maybe SPU in an SCCA region where the displacement break was 2 liters. What would it cost if I wanted you to duplicate it?

K

 

awesome!
I've always been a fan of the LS motor... it just big ZC anyhow
The B18B is a potential for a sick setup too, even without vtec, I'm glad to see your pics, build, dyno numbers and even the hatchie looks good!

 

wow this setup looks to be quite powerful and not as expensive as ls/vtec or gsr swap. i love b18b's!!!

 

i've raced my EG hatch with EMRA and NASA for the last 3 years. with B18A/B nonvtec power.

very very reliable (except for one broken valve spring. it was a Crower. now i use Ferra!). great motor. it was dynoed and tuned at 178 whp and mid 130s torque. thats with a custom set of Webb cams. it has a good idle, and pulls strong from 2000 on up. really really comes on at about 4700 rpm.

i like the nonvtec, too!

they don't make the kind of power a wild vtec setup makes, but they aren't as expensive and don't seem as prone to blowing up, either.

have fun with that car!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the motor made power to 7850 RPM power out put was 191 Hp with 160 ft lb torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sounds like you just ended up with a "VTEC" engine anyway - only without the low-RPM lobes. Don't know of any B-series VTEC engine that can put out torque numbers like that, though . . .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">7850 RPM power out put was 191 Hp with 160 ft lb torque. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Are those numbers to the wheels? If so awesome HP numbers.

 

You are my hero

Which cams did you use? the 405's?

 

wow.. nice setup

I'm just researching a b18b NA setup, that torque is amazing!

 

Nice numbers. How extensive was the headwork? I'm guessing there was alot done to the head, since non-vtec heads dont flow nearly as well as vtec heads.

 

i'm just curious what the cost of the LS build-up vs a, say, GSR build-up would be?

 

nice thats exactly what im plannin to do in near feature

 

How much difference does the ITR Pistons make in the B1 motor? (with bolt on's)
Ie. What would the compression be?

 

You have a dyno plot of your setup? Those numbers look impressive for the mods.

 

yea dude, id love to see a dyno of that motor.

 

With the mods it has, pulls out as much power as an LS-VTEC with hell of a lot more torque.

 

Is the head milled to bump up the compression?

 

Modified by fastone at 4:41 AM 3/24/2004

 

Modified by fastone at 4:42 AM 3/24/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The B18B motors have lots of potential, no one really give this motor a fear chance. Yes it have a bad rod ratio, so correct it and the motor will make even more power. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What means were you thinking of to correct it? Shorter stroke? Longer rod/shorter piston? Deck plate? Something else?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Don't know of any B-series VTEC engine that can put out torque numbers like that, though . . .</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. Those torque numbers would make most VTEC owners jealous.

I bet you coud really feel the power exiting corners. I'd also like to know how you would improve the rod/stoke ratio on the LS motor.

Would this motor be legal for HC?

 

What rpm was that torque figure achieved at?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes you are right; they are a pretty cheap motor to build up. I look at the head the B18A/B heads like a VTEC kilter. (Similar to when you install a toda vtec killer cam in a vtec head.) </TD></TR></TABLE> how true!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The B18A/B ports are the same as a B16A or Type-R head and they will flow similar numbers </TD></TR></TABLE> very very interesting...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I were to build another one, I would have to correct the rod ratio and it will put out way more power. </TD></TR></TABLE> This makes me want to ask a question... would you consider building a motor made up of a GSR or ITR bottom end with a LS head? That way you get the beefier, girdled bottom end and RS ratio of the B18C block but you get to use the "inexpensive" LS head (even though you drop a load of money working the head and adding cams, etc)

I could allocate a lot more money into a B17 non-vtec build if I could sell my B17 head for good $$$ and pickup a LS head for dirt cheap... although that would be blasphemy for a B17 though

 

does a gsr crank and rods drop into an LS block? or does some machining need to be done?

s

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does a gsr crank and rods drop into an LS block? or does some machining need to be done?

s</TD></TR></TABLE>

It drops in. I'm not sure why you'd do it though. Many people are going the other way, putting LS crank/rods in their B18C blocks. The weak point IMO isn't the R/S ratio... it's the questionable strength of the LS rods.

To the person that said the LS head flows *similar* to the vtec heads... do you have any flow sheets to back that up? I'm not saying you're wrong - but it goes against what I thought was true and I'd definitely like to see some proof if you have some.

Finally, I question how much money you're really saving by running a LS head. GSR heads can be bought for next to nothing. B16 for only slightly more.